Christophe Posted September 2, 2007 Author Posted September 2, 2007 Jim,I agree, there is some belarussian flavour here... Take the time you need for your next challenge. Cheers.Ch.
JimZ Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 In post war Russia, one particular incident resulted in seven people being proposed for the highest title of the Soviet Union. However, following investigation, they never went on to receive their title.Specifically:What bound these people together?What was the incident that earned them this nomination?Why did they not receive the title?Good luck. Jim:cheers:
Christian Zulus Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 K-19 In post war Russia, one particular incident resulted in seven people being proposed for the highest title of the Soviet Union. However, following investigation, they never went on to receive their title.Specifically:What bound these people together?What was the incident that earned them this nomination?Why did they not receive the title?Dear Jim,after the nuclear K-19-incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-19 4th of july 1961 close to Jan Mayen, I guess, that 7 members of the crew - incl. Captain Nikolai Vladimirovich Zateyev - had been nominated for HSU.Well, K-19 bound these people together, but the nominations for the HSUs had been downgraded to RBs with the argumentation, that the preventing of a nuclear catastrophy didn't not take place during a war, but in peace time .In my opinion, that downgrading had been against the statutes, because also cosmonauts get their HSU in peace time .At least ex-comrade Gorbachev nominated in 2006 the crew of K-19 for the Nobel Peace Prize. Again our heros got no awards, because the "muslim-alternative" banker Muhammad Yunus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus got the prize in 2006 .National Geographic produced a great movie about K-19: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-19:_The_Widowmaker and http://www.nationalgeographic.com/k19/index.html .Best regards Christian
Christian Zulus Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Wrong answer to my questions.Jim Dear Jim,you are speaking about 7 comrades, who had been proposed to get a HSU, but never got the medal (or had been downgraded) ?It seems, that a ship or submarine bound the 7 comrades together ?Best regards Christian
JimZ Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Try giving answers not asking for hints Christian. Otherwise its too easy....and it is easy actually!Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Try giving answers not asking for hints Christian. Otherwise its too easy....and it is easy actually!JimDear Jim,the HSU had been the highest title in the CCCP and I have no other glue, than K-19, that a crew of 7 comrades had been downgraded .Best regards Christian
JimZ Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Ok here is a clue .... this was not a downgrade.... our comrades, did not recieve any award.... and some of our seven would have recieved their award/title posthumously.Jim
Knarf Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Hello, everybody is gone for lunch and nobody can see that I misuse the computer. My suggestion: The gentlemen are: Gennady Yanayev Vladimir Kryuchov Dimitry Yazov Valentin Pavlov Oleg Bakalanov Vasily Starodubtosev Alexander Tziyakov Mr. Boris Pugov preferred to shoot himself to avoid difficulties. All of these gentlemen were members of the State Emergency Committee. The were bound together with the coup attempt against Mr. Gorbachev Aug. 18 - Aug.20 1991 Shortly after that the USSR was history and so there were no more Heroes of the SU Have to stop now they are comming back Regards Frank
Christian Zulus Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Dear Frank,I also thought about that, but these poor devils hadn't been "heros" at all, because most of them had been totally drunken .Well the idea had been o.k., but the planning + action + vodka resulted in a disaster .And you mentioned 8 comrades, not 7 .... Best regards ChristianHello, everybody is gone for lunch and nobody can see that I misuse the computer. My suggestion: The gentlemen are: Gennady Yanayev Vladimir Kryuchov Dimitry Yazov Valentin Pavlov Oleg Bakalanov Vasily Starodubtosev Alexander Tziyakov Mr. Boris Pugov preferred to shoot himself to avoid difficulties. All of these gentlemen were members of the State Emergency Committee. The were bound together with the coup attempt against Mr. Gorbachev Aug. 18 - Aug.20 1991 Shortly after that the USSR was history and so there were no more Heroes of the SU Have to stop now they are comming back Regards Frank
JimZ Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Hello, everybody is gone for lunch and nobody can see that I misuse the computer. My suggestion: The gentlemen are: Gennady Yanayev Vladimir Kryuchov Dimitry Yazov Valentin Pavlov Oleg Bakalanov Vasily Starodubtosev Alexander Tziyakov Mr. Boris Pugov preferred to shoot himself to avoid difficulties. All of these gentlemen were members of the State Emergency Committee. The were bound together with the coup attempt against Mr. Gorbachev Aug. 18 - Aug.20 1991 Shortly after that the USSR was history and so there were no more Heroes of the SU Have to stop now they are comming back Regards Frank Hi Frank,Interesting try - but wrong answer. Christian was closer to the answer than you are.Come on gentlemen,Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Hi Frank,Interesting try - but wrong answer. Christian was closer to the answer than you are.Come on gentlemen,Jim Dear Jim,so I guess, that your question has to do with another Soviet nuclear submarine incident, where 7 comrades had been nominated for the HSU and some of them already died during the incident ?I have to look in the "National Geographic" book about K-19, where all the other incidents with submarines are listed .Best regards Christian
Christian Zulus Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 K-278 Komsomolets Dear Jim,another try: K-278 Komsomolets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_Komsomolets ?Vice Admiral HSU Evgeniy Demitrievich Chernov - former commander of the K-278, who got his HSU for diving with the boat 1.300 meters (!) - founded the "Komsomolets Nuclear Submarine Memorial Society" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolets_N...emorial_Society .Best regards Christian
JimZ Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 K-278 Komsomolets Dear Jim,another try: K-278 Komsomolets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_Komsomolets ?Vice Admiral HSU Evgeniy Demitrievich Chernov - former commander of the K-278, who got his HSU for diving with the boat 1.300 meters (!) - founded the "Komsomolets Nuclear Submarine Memorial Society" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolets_N...emorial_Society .Best regards ChristianNope! Again an interesting try but nit the answer I am looking for Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 Nope! Again an interesting try but nit the answer I am looking for Jim Dear Jim,are submariners the wrong track ?Best regards Christian
JimZ Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 The question with some more hints thrown in: In post war Russia, one particular incident specifically between 1965-1970 resulted in seven people being proposed for the Hero of the Soviet Union title (more than half of them would have recieved it psothumously). However, following the results of investigations into the instances, they were circumstances that led to none of them not receiving the HSU. This was not a downgrade, the awards were not given. Specifically:What bound these people together?What was the incident that earned them this nomination?Why did they not receive the title?Keep trying guys. I am not going into specifics and I'll throw some more hints if I see we're getting stuck.Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) Dear Jim,many thanks for your hints .So, we deal with the early era of comrade Brezhnev till 1970 .4 of the comrades died at the incident and 3 survived and all 7 had been proposed for the HSU. Neither the passed away comrades, nor the survivors got the HSU, nor any other CCCP-Award.Well, the question is: Which herioc incident happend between 1965 and 1970 within the armed forces of the Soviet Union, that didn't result in approbriate decorations (+ some KIAs) ?Best regards ChristianThe question with some more hints thrown in: In post war Russia, one particular incident specifically between 1965-1970 resulted in seven people being proposed for the Hero of the Soviet Union title (more than half of them would have recieved it psothumously). However, following the results of investigations into the instances, they were circumstances that led to none of them not receiving the HSU. This was not a downgrade, the awards were not given. Specifically:What bound these people together?What was the incident that earned them this nomination?Why did they not receive the title?Keep trying guys. I am not going into specifics and I'll throw some more hints if I see we're getting stuck.Jim Edited September 11, 2007 by Christian Zulus
JimZ Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 So, we deal with the early era of comrade Brezhnev till 1970 .Yes.4 of the comrades died at the incident and 3 survived and all 7 had been proposed for the HSU. Neither the passed away comrades, nor the survivors got the HSU, nor any other CCCP-Award.I said more than half - 4, 5, and 6 are all more than half. Your assumptions as to the numbers and not my hint. (BUT) - you may also be right.....Well, the question is: Which herioc incident happend between 1965 and 1970 within the armed forces of the Soviet Union, that didn't result in approbriate decorations (+ some KIAs) ?I'd say that if nominations for HSU were made but no award was granted, someone high up must have had serious thoughts about whether this even was really heroic or not.Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Jim,I have to consult my library .Many thanks for narrowing the era to 1965 - 1970 .Best regards Christian
Christian Zulus Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 Submarine K-11 Dear Jim,seven comrades had been injured at the 1965 incident with K-11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-11 .Best regards Christian
JimZ Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Ok..lets say its a submarine at this stage..... still not the K-11.Jim
Christian Zulus Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Ok..lets say its a submarine at this stage..... still not the K-11.Jim Dear Jim,many thanks for narrowing on 1965 - 1970 + Soviet submarines .So, I have in front of me the National Geographic book of Peter Huchthausen "K-19, the Widowmaker" and the appendix about Soviet submarine accidents.O.K., it's not K-11, but on 15th of july 1965 we had an accident in the Mediterranean Sea with B-31, Tango-Class, with fire on board and 4 crew members died.What about this guess ?Best regards Christian
Christophe Posted September 12, 2007 Author Posted September 12, 2007 Hi Jim,This seems a good one!!!!! Christian in investigating all the soviet submarines ... and we have unfiortunately no better option to propose... Let's see if Christian (or others - Where are you, BTW ?) will solve the mystery... Cheers.Ch.
JimZ Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 Hi Jim,This seems a good one!!!!! Christian in investigating all the soviet submarines ... and we have unfiortunately no better option to propose... Let's see if Christian (or others - Where are you, BTW ?) will solve the mystery... Cheers.Ch.He he....We got ourselves our own little "Hunt for the Red October"....... But not enough people shooting depth charges ... Is the question that hard or are we losing steam? Will this be the longest standing question? Jim
Ed_Haynes Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 Is the question that hard or are we losing steam?Both, maybe. I do sense a significant (and unfortunate) draw-down in activity in most non-Teutonic sub-fora. Summer vacations? Malaise?
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