paja Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 For the Serbian "Ljotic" Saint George badge, there are two variations. One is with Pin and catch and numbers location on the left middle side ( like with the badges on the photos from the previous page) and the other variation is with Nuts, two of them, Up and down of the badge. Now about the numbering, seems the series made with pin and catch was larger in number and they have indeed zero in front, I have seen original with 0****** The ones with nuts attaching device, are with low numbers ( three mostly ) and no zero in front and you can find them on the right side of the upper Nut. The two badges that Paja brought pictures are indeed copies, the numbers are similar like those, but they didn't do so good job ( The original pieces have "jumby" numbers- by that I mean not always in a straight line - and these numbers are not the same visually as the original ones). I am sorry that I do not have pictures to provide, I do not posses a Ljotic Saint George badge..... To be honest I haven't had a chance to see variant with two nuts. About the numbering I saw badge with number 01XX with pin and catch on the back side. Also one numbered 17XX in bad shape with same type of pin as on those fake badges and that's about it. Both had numbers in "northeastern" part of the reverse.
chetnik1942 Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 What do you think about this one?1.JPG 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg Seller's description: "WWII-SERBIA: Memorial nail for the dedication of the Chetnik flag in 1941. The badge is made of gold-plated Brass forging high pressure (pressing punching). Application skull with bones made of matt silver-plated metal. On the back is printed stamp manufacturers, manufaktutre "KOVNICA AD BELGRADE". and is welded to the nail with which the badge scored (attached) for wooden spear flag. The badge is well maintained has original patina, is not purified. Dimensions: 51.5 x 34,5mm" My opinion is this is fake. It just doesnt look right.
paja Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 I just saw an ad for this: http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-48505400-1419631802.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-90605900-1419631785.jpg According to description this should be collar badge of members of SDK, what do you think?
paja Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 One more dagger, same as the one in post #107 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/31679-serbia-original-chetnik-items/?p=608208 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SERBIA-CHETNIKS-KNIFE-WWII-/121525895944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4b820308&autorefresh=true http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-48837600-1419632324.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-36868000-1419632334.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-80158200-1419632339.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-15637500-1419632345.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-97738100-1419632353.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-23637600-1419632364.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 Different model. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SERBIA-CHETNIKS-KNIFE-WWII-/121510734750?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4a9aab9e&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-56667300-1419680856.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-76932400-1419680858.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-64734000-1419680861.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-33543400-1419680865.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-83391700-1419680866.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 Now check out this, all offered by the same seller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-yugoslavia-serbien-Dinar-division-kokard-wk2-/251737354298?pt=Briefmarke&hash=item3a9cb7303a&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 02, 2014 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-46512800-1419681540.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-46065600-1419681542.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-yugoslavia-serbien-medal-wk2-RARE-/261681011152?pt=Briefmarke&hash=item3ced6759d0&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 02, 2014 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-34966600-1419681695.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-16210000-1419681696.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-yugoslavia-serbien-medal-wk2-RARE-/251737370889?pt=Briefmarke&hash=item3a9cb77109&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 02, 2014 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-35651000-1419681750.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-25545800-1419681751.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-serbia-Kokard-Ww2-wk2-/251756575007?pt=Militaria&hash=item3a9ddc791f&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 14, 2014 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-81964200-1419681879.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-63688000-1419681881.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-serbia-Medal-Ww2-wk2-Rare-/261700755498?pt=Militaria&hash=item3cee94a02a&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 14, 2014 Obvious traces of soldering Lightfoot mentioned before... http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-45104700-1419682063.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-26247500-1419682065.jpg
paja Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chetnik-cetnik-Serbia-Kokard-Lot-Wk2-ww2-100-ORIGINAL-/261710686666?pt=Militaria&hash=item3cef2c29ca&nma=true&si=KiKLEJVhXmT88xrWb%252FhuKzuRM1w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Dec 24, 2014, two more, in total 7 badges in three weeks! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-32025300-1419682235.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-32964600-1419682236.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-10178900-1419682238.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2014/post-7937-0-76053400-1419682238.jpg
serbman Posted December 27, 2014 Author Posted December 27, 2014 These badges are all very well done copies !
Emanuel Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 All of the above badges, copies and really feel bad for the Ebay members that spend their hard earning cash on these items, I do not wish to say garbage due respect to the Original themselves and what these things trying to imitate... :/ In some months, the guys will come here to promote their collection and they will have a big suprise from the answers here and that's the good thing of this forum.
Emanuel Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 These badges are all very well done copies ! Not exactly, Bubbles and Soldering all over the place, you will slowly learn to recognize them from miles...
Emanuel Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 As the Chetnik daggers concern, thank you Paja once more for the photos and scaning the web for us. We said about them, nothing new, the same old "Leskovac made" products, popping up once more form the same seller.
serbman Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 Here is my original badge ! Enjoy it !
serbman Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 Two different Ljotic St'George badges from backside !
serbman Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 Two different Ljotic St'George badges from backside !
Rogi Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) These skull and cross bone badges scare me, some look excellent quality for fakes one thing I've noticed is the consistent patina on someof the fake pieces, almost looks like they are made out of cement with a very grain like appearance Thanks all for posting these and getting us more educated on them :) Edited December 29, 2014 by Rogi
Emanuel Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Two different Ljotic St'George badges from backside ! Both original pieces without need seen the reverse....
Emanuel Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Here is my original badge ! Enjoy it ! Now that's what we call damn "Chetnik badge"
paja Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I'm writing on behalf of a friend who wishes to know if his badges are original or not. Being that I am far from expert for this field he would be very grateful to hear 2nd opinions. Many thanks in advance! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-29705400-1420489942.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-67378600-1420489947.jpg
paja Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Rest of the photos. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-03724100-1420490118.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-82123600-1420490123.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-08301000-1420490128.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-33940000-1420490133.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2015/post-7937-0-96146500-1420490137.jpg
serbman Posted January 5, 2015 Author Posted January 5, 2015 Double headed eagle is fake unfortunately ! The other two badges are difficult to say !
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