Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 These are the military and civil equivalents of each other, I believe. Documents and reverses will follow.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 Well, I guess I got the reverses in the first post. Here is the document for the military badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 ...and the document for the civilian version which, you will note, is an MVD document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 ... and the interior of the MVD document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 ... and the interior of the MVD document.Didn't know the MVD were into bridge building???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 ... and the Georgian variant, an orphan.I have never found another example of any of these "in the wild", but I have seen one or two on retail sites. Never the documents and never the Georgian variant, however.Does anyone know of other variants?Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Never seen the documents, ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 Didn't know the MVD were into bridge building????Hi DannyYes, that surprised me, too, but we know that they were involved in some way in nearly everything. I can only speculate that the nature and extent of the highway system was a state secret and somehow the MVD was involved from that angle. Purely a guess, of course. There is a bridge prominent in all three badges, but the badges are for roadbuilding, not just for bridges.I was very pleased to find these two Soviet badges, with documents, both from the same recipient. I never found any other examples of either one and only the one Georgian variant.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 Never seen the documents, ever! You know, I have a couple dozen of the WW II excellence badges and I have seen a hundred or more offered for sale "in the wild" and countless others on retail sites. This is the only document for a military excellence badge that I have ever come across. I guess they're out there. They must be, here's the proof. But darn if I ever see them. Anyone else?Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 I completely forgot that I have another example of the Georgian variant, and this one comes with the document.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 ... and here's the reverse and the inside of the document.I think I'm gonna like it here.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Terrific stuff! Glad you found us. I've seen more Never Seen documentation in these couple of days than in the last 10 years! It is precisely this KIND of documentation that takes "unknown" obscure badges and allows some sort of frame of reference to begin building a base of knowledge:as in THAT type of Georgian badge WAS awarded in 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Well, I guess I got the reverses in the first post. Here is the document for the military badge.Not that I've been looking for them, but in 14 years of collecting this stuff that's the first Otlichnik document I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing it!!!Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) Not that I've been looking for them, but in 14 years of collecting this stuff that's the first Otlichnik document I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing it!!!Dave* * * * *Hi DaveIt's nice to see some familiar faces on this forum. If you haven't seen those documents, then they must be unusual. I know it's the only one I've ever seen.Does anyone else have any of these Otlichnik documents? If you do, I'd like to see them.Speaking of documents, are they welcome and of interest on this forum? I mean, documents without accompanying hardware or that never had accompanying hardware.Chuck Edited November 14, 2005 by Chuck In Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Oooooooooooooooohyeayuh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 Oooooooooooooooohyeayuh. * * * * *OK, my first laugh of the day. Thank you.I've got a LOT of documents, including some early Chekist documents, even complete pre-war major criminal files. They're hard to do justice to, and they'll take some time, but I'll see what I can do.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Here is a road builders badge from Modern Russia, so I am told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck In Oregon Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 It took me a minute to recognize the stylized bridge, but I'd say they mostly stayed with the theme. Curious that they substituted the globe for the blue sky in the earlier badges. I wonder what the significance of the ribbon is or if it has any meaning besides not clashing with the award.Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris S Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 This is an example I have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 * * * * *Does anyone else have any of these Otlichnik documents? If you do, I'd like to see them.Speaking of documents, are they welcome and of interest on this forum? I mean, documents without accompanying hardware or that never had accompanying hardware.ChuckI've never seen a road builder document, but I've seen 3-4 other strictly military documents. The ones I've seen are not specially printed documents like yours, but typed out on military unit stationery and signed by the commander. You've got something rarer than hen's teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Didn't know the MVD were into bridge building????As I know this was one of Stalins sklave working project with prisoners, the NKVD and MBD acted as guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 As I know this was one of Stalins sklave working project with prisoners, the NKVD and MBD acted as guards.Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) A few remarks to this roadbuilder badge.I have read somewhere in the internet, that these badge is heavily faked. You could bought it at nearlyevery street corner in dozens for 50 USD.They tried to sell this badge as a original NKVD badge.Added is my badge, which I have bought a long time ago for a very very little amount. So I think, thechance that it is a fake is more or less big. Although I hope it is not the case, but as we know the hopedies at last. Edited November 27, 2005 by Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 I have observed five or six different production variants of the badge. Added are four from the uralski foto-catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 and the next two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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