suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear all,Rick's amazing posts have inspired me to come up with a new question from my collection. A 1889 infantry sword model presented in 1890 in Cassel (today Kassel). The inscription reads:"Cremer s./l. Riemann", "Cassel 1890"[lossely translated Cremer to his dear Riemann]In addition, the sword pommel cap has the intials engraved which read for my eye like "HR", e.g. "Heinrich Riemann"?The blade is damascus ("Eisenhauer Damaststahl"), thes cabbard (not pictured here) is black with one ring.Cassel had an military officers school thus I presume the two guys finished their officer's training there and presented swords to each other when they received their officers' patents. There may be some interesting stories that this sword has to tell!And what all did the two guys encounter during their military career? Did they meet again?Is any of you but especially you, Rick, able to shed some light on this sword's history?I very much look forward to hear anything on this!Thanks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 What a BEAUTY!!!! Fantastic deluxe quality!But as is usual with such beauty-- there is grim tragedy before the story ends. We start with young Cremer's entry from the Infantry Regiment 99 Stammliste-- thanks Glenn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Great !!!!! Cremer has had a fascinating carreer as it seems More pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Oberleutnant Cremer's entry from the 1901 Rangliste, showing him in China--and Alexander von M?ller's account of the Boxer campaign, keying officers to the units they came from back home: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 and more pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Faithful Readers will know what almost always comes next...Eduard Paul Edwin CREMERborn 1 December 1869 Burtscheid, Rheinprovinz01.10.89 3 Year Volunteer in Feldart Rgt 8F?hnrich 14.05.90Sekondelieutenant 18.01.91Oberleutnant 15.06.99 WHauptmann 27.01.07 M1891 commissioned in Inf Rgt 99 not Feldart Rgt 8 !!!22.03.00 from Inf Rgt 99 to Inf Rgt 16In 1901 in 6th Company East Asian Infantry Regiment 3 from Inf Rgt 16 15.12.00 lightly wounded at Yung-tsing-hsienIn 1902 EAIR 2 still in China where he served until early 1903From 16.11.03 on in Hohenzollern Fusilier Regiment 401914: China Medal (bars Fouphing, Huolo, and Kitchou), 1897, 1911 Hohenzollern Jubilee MedalKilled in action near Hochwalsch 20 August 1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Faithful Readers will know what almost always comes next...1914: China Medal (bars Fouphing, Huolo, and Kitchou), 1897, 1911 Hohenzollern Jubilee MedalKilled in action near Hochwalsch 20 August 1914 Damned and scary time it was...what a pity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 But what about the proud recipient of this magnificent weapon?We know he was still on active duty, wearing this sword, after 1910 from the scabbard. (In 1890 it would have been nickled with 2 rings.)So, working backwards and forwards from that point in time:from the 1897 Rank List--There were actually TWO Riemanns in the same regiment at the same rank, so we have firsst names. Here/then, he wwas known as "Curt" but fear not. His RUFNAME was apparently HUGO-- as will be revealed...(NOTE: CORRECTION to this posted by Glenn below !!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 No rank dates in those wretched 1890s Lists. 1 January 1919 Dienstaltersliste--and the 1914-18 Honor Rank List--Wretched Prussians... no first names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 But we can work backwards and forwwards and fill in his promotion dates.And that Rufname?Well, wartime awards rolls actually give us that. Here is his actual entry from Sachsen-Coburg for his EH3aX--HUGO Riemann... "Major Inf Rgt 138, at the moment Roy Bav War Ministry." Thus"HUGO" RIEMANNSekondelieutenant 22.08.91Oberleutnant 16.12.99 K2kHauptmann 13.09.06 V3vMajor 08.11.14 QqOberstleutnant aDInf Rgt 95 1890sFrom at least 1900-5 K.P. Oberleutnant in K.W. Inf Rgt 122 (!!!)In Inf Rgt 138 from at least 1907-141914: RAO4mKr (on 27.01.13 as direct single award with Crown !!!), 1897, and 1899 Coburg Jubilee Medal WW1?BMV4X 07.08.15 which was probably an error corrected when he was awarded (correctly by rank)BMV4XmKr 19.11.15EH3aX (!!! Should have been 2b) 22.03.16 as Major Hugo Riemann of IR 138 zur Zeit K.B. KriegsministeriumThat makes THREE (?four?) VERY weird awards?from NO Red Eagle 4 at all to having one with Crown as an initial award; BMV4X which should not have been awarded to him replaced/corrected by BMV4XmKr; EH3aX which by his rank never mind ?old affiliations? should have been an EH2bX. Very very odd!!!Ended the war commanding Reserve Ersatz Regiment 4.Died 1927 per Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Wretched Prussians... no first names...I guess they were just saving paper, the Prussians were always short on money So where does the "Hugo" come from? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Research Gnomes never never never forget.Out of the 100,000 or so Prussian officers, what are the odds of this? Our very own ChristerD has a portrait photo of Major Hugo Riemann, autographed in Berlin 1917. And here is his FACE (and matching ribbon bar)EK2 1914RAO4mKrPr XXV (June 1914)BMV4XmKr1897EH3aX1899 Coburg Jubilee Medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 without words ... this is brilliant! :jumping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Fantastic guys.... that was a fox hunt like you seldom see.....Very, very impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Colonel Riemann's entry in the Offizier-Stammliste of I.R. 95 showing his career up until the point he joined I.R. 138 as a supernumerary Hauptmann in 1906. Colonel Riemann died in February 1927.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Rick,forgot to mention: In fact three Riemann's. Hugo is shown in the 1897 list in I.R. 167. Hugo, Curt & ErichRegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Agggh-- like "Too Many Lehmanns" !!!--http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=33170Thanks for sorting out the Rufnamen!!! By tracking out the Nemeless Ones later on-- CURT was commissioned with Patent of 18.08.94 G7g, and ERICH not until 18.08.96 Z12z (and HE switched from IR 95 to FAR 55 just to confuse things further, oy).This would have been SO much easier if the wretched Prussians had listed first names and rank dates before 1901! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Brilliant detective work there chaps-Brilliant!!Best Forum-Ever- :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suumcuique Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Definitely. To all of you: this was stunning research!Thanks all of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz1888 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Great sword with research and loads of history!To make it perfect you might want to consider changing the sword knot to a leather one that matches the sword knots worn at the time of presentation.Greetings from London! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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