DDR MY NEW DDR ADDITIONS

[cabbell2207]

Hi Gang,

just wanted to show some of my new additions.

thanks :lol:

[cabbell2207]

another view.

[Paul R]

Nice job!!! I really like the mounted police medals!

[cabbell2207]

Nice job!!! I really like the mounted police medals!

Thanks paul.

[ehrentitle]

It's a good collection of badges and medals. The older Engels Academy badge is getting harder to find and more expensive. The Meister Pilot's badge is especially hard to find. There were a couple on US e-bay recently that were "buy it now" for $35 each.

[speedytop]

Hi,

in my opinion the Meister (M) pilot badge is not original, the original ones are without the hangers.

Please see the Bartel catalogue from 1998, No. 781 "Stufe M (Meister) ohne Haken auf der R?ckseite"

Regards

Uwe

[cabbell2207]

Hi,

in my opinion the Meister (M) pilot badge is not original, the original ones are without the hangers.

Please see the Bartel catalogue from 1998, No. 781 "Stufe M (Meister) ohne Haken auf der R?ckseite"

Regards

Uwe

i havent seen any eveidence that they were not worn with hangers, it seem it would only make sence to see how many flight hours they had also.

Edited March 5, 2009 by cabbell2207

[speedytop]

Hi cabbell2207

Sorry, but do you really think, that both top specialist for DDR orders and decorations, Frank Bartel and Klaus H.Feder write (and talk) nonsense?

Frank Bartel: see the text in Post 6.

Klaus H.Feder, Auszeichnungen der Nationalen Volksarmee der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, 1st edition 1994:

"Die Abzeichen haben keine Befestigunsdr?hte [no connection wires/hangers] f?r Flugstundenanh?nger.

Diese wurden bei der Herstellung vergessen [forgotten] und sollten nachtr?glich angebracht werden.

Abzeichen mit Befestigungsdr?hten kamen nicht mehr zur Verleihung."

No awards with hangers .

With hangers it is a later production, post DDR/NVA.

Uwe

[ehrentitle]

It's true that the around 200 Meisterklasse Pilot's badges that were issued didn't have hangers. However, this badge came out very late, in 1988, close to German Unification. So it's entirely possible that Prawema produced a number of these with hangers just before or after Unification (Wende).

[cabbell2207]

Hi cabbell2207

Sorry, but do you really think, that both top specialist for DDR orders and decorations, Frank Bartel and Klaus H.Feder write (and talk) nonsense?

Frank Bartel: see the text in Post 6.

Klaus H.Feder, Auszeichnungen der Nationalen Volksarmee der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik, 1st edition 1994:

"Die Abzeichen haben keine Befestigunsdr?hte [no connection wires/hangers] f?r Flugstundenanh?nger.

Diese wurden bei der Herstellung vergessen [forgotten] und sollten nachtr?glich angebracht werden.

Abzeichen mit Befestigungsdr?hten kamen nicht mehr zur Verleihung."

No awards with hangers .

With hangers it is a later production, post DDR/NVA.

Uwe

Hi speedytop

no you misunderstand me you are right i'm mearly saying i have not seen this.It has nothing to do with any author.

Edited March 6, 2009 by cabbell2207

[cabbell2207]

It's true that the around 200 Meisterklasse Pilot's badges that were issued didn't have hangers. However, this badge came out very late, in 1988, close to German Unification. So it's entirely possible that Prawema produced a number of these with hangers just before or after Unification (Wende).

Is there any way to tell Prawema from original issue medals and badges? :banger:

Edited March 6, 2009 by cabbell2207

[ehrentitle]

Is there any way to tell Prawema from original issue medals and badges?

Cabbell2207 - Prawema was the maker of all NVA badges. They kept on producing badges after unification to keep their workforce employed. I've been told they were still selling badges as late as 1993. They also made restrikes of a number of older rarer badges. In the case of the late issue badges like the Master Pilot the badges produced during DDR time and after are nearly identical. Kevin

[cabbell2207]

Cabbell2207 - Prawema was the maker of all NVA badges. They kept on producing badges after unification to keep their workforce employed. I've been told they were still selling badges as late as 1993. They also made restrikes of a number of older rarer badges. In the case of the late issue badges like the Master Pilot the badges produced during DDR time and after are nearly identical. Kevin

Thank you all for the info. Well i must say i learned something today, knowledge is the key :cheers:

[speedytop]

Hi,

I think, that this is an original:

Uwe

[ehrentitle]

Uwe - Is it in your collection? Kevin

[speedytop]

Yes, it was a part of a collection from an active NVA soldier, early in 1990.

Here are some other pieces:

Uwe

[ehrentitle]

Cabbell2207 - Looks like Uwe and I have taken over your thread.

Uwe - Nice set of pilots hangers, I have all but the Red 4500, 5000 and the Blue 13,000 & 14,000. Unfortunately mine are a mix of the hangers for the new and old pilots badges.

[cabbell2207]

Cabbell2207 - Looks like Uwe and I have taken over your thread.

Uwe - Nice set of pilots hangers, I have all but the Red 4500, 5000 and the Blue 13,000 & 14,000. Unfortunately mine are a mix of the hangers for the new and old pilots badges.

No thats o.k. i'm learning, nice items speedytop :cheers: