Luftwaffe Juncker Radio Operator/Air Gunner Badge

[David Robertson]

Hi guys I have a chance to pick up this badge as well as one other one.

I bleave it's a first pattern badge. I would like to get other opinions on it.

Also what would be a fair price for it IF it's ok??

Thanks in advance David Robertson

[David Robertson]

Hi guys I have a chance to pick up this badge as well as one other one.

I bleave it's a first pattern badge. I would like to get other opinions on it.

Also what would be a fair price for it IF it's ok??

Thanks in advance David Robertson

[Tim Calvert]

Dave,

It's actually a second pattern badge, with more tombak showing through than normal, which is fine as long as it's not a result of over cleaning by an ambitious collector. Asking what it is worth is a tough question. THE right guy might pay a million dollars for it...which equates to about Euro 670.

[Richard Gordon]

TC

Less of the J?germeister ! Isn't this the J3 eagle?

This is J1

[Richard Gordon]

This is J2 (note the slightly different head shape. Wreath is the same)

[Richard Gordon]

This is the J3 (different eagle)

[Tim Calvert]

TC

Less of the J?germeister ! Isn't this the J3 eagle?

Ha Ha! Ooops! Yep, you're right Rich! I didn't look very closely! Drinking and posting can be a bad thing!

[kraut]

Ha Ha! Ooops! Yep, you're right Rich! I didn't look very closely! Drinking and posting can be a bad thing!

Hello,Gentleman,s here my B&NL badge

[kraut]

Hello,Gentleman,s here my B&NL badge

Reserve

[J Temple-West]

K

I would very much like to see some clearer pictures of this badge.

There are some very good copies of the "B&NL" ROAG out there. Going on there pictures, I'm not seeing certain characteristics that I would like to see.

[kraut]

K

I would very much like to see some clearer pictures of this badge.

There are some very good copies of the "B&NL" ROAG out there. Going on there pictures, I'm not seeing certain characteristics that I would like to see.

[J Temple-West]

And a clear shot of the reverse, if possible, K.

[kraut]

And a clear shot of the reverse, if possible, K.

[Richard Gordon]

Kraut

Your B&N looks soft in places and there are a few things about it that look odd like the catch and the hinge.

Here's a few pics to compare.

[Richard Gordon]

Last.

Rich

[J Temple-West]

Thanks for the new pictures, K. Much better!

Always better to get more than one opinion...but mine is that this is a cast copy of an original badge.

The softness of features of the obverse could be due to wear...but, for me, the reverse tells the tale.

If compared with a textbook example (below) of a nickel silver or buntmetal ROAG by this maker, the differences in construction and finish are clear.

All original badges of this type that I've come across have the same die mark to the reverse of the wreath, something that copies do not. The rivets, although close, are not typical, and the same for the catch/hinge.

Let's see what other members think.

[J Temple-West]

Comparison of an original (left) and the badge in question (right).

Obverse:

[J Temple-West]

Reverse:

[kraut]

Reverse:

Thanks,Gent,all information!

[woodeye]

Hi Kraut,

i don?t like it too. I think it is a fake.

greets

woodeye

[nesredep]

Hi Kraut,

i don?t like it too. I think it is a fake.

greets

woodeye

Hello!

I agree.

All the best

Nesredep