VtwinVince Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I was fortunate to get a couple of the ex-Nowell collection items from the last DNW auction, including a spange with the following combo: Prussia 1870 EK2 Prussia Red Eagle Order 4th Class, marked "FR" Prussia Crown Order 3rd Class, marked "Zehn" Prussia 1870 KDM, no inscription Prussia Centennar-Medal England 1887 Golden Jubilee Medal I thought this was a fairly unique combination with the English medal, although it is curious that the owner has the 1897 Wilhelm medal but not the EK2 oakleaves or any battle bars on the KDM. If anyone would like to volunteer to post scans of this bar, that would be nice, as I cannot post pictures. In the meantime, I thought it would be interesting if members could post their German bars with English decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Edit: title should read "spange". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I was fortunate to get a couple of the ex-Nowell collection items from the last DNW auction, including a spange with the following combo: Prussia 1870 EK2 Prussia Red Eagle Order 4th Class, marked "FR" Prussia Crown Order 3rd Class, marked "Zehn" Prussia 1870 KDM, no inscription Prussia Centennar-Medal England 1887 Golden Jubilee Medal I thought this was a fairly unique combination with the English medal, although it is curious that the owner has the 1897 Wilhelm medal but not the EK2 oakleaves or any battle bars on the KDM. If anyone would like to volunteer to post scans of this bar, that would be nice, as I cannot post pictures. In the meantime, I thought it would be interesting if members could post their German bars with English decorations. Hello VtwinVince, You can't post pictures?!?!? I, for one, would love to see this bar, front and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 I've had trouble uploading files for some reason. I have scans of the bar, if someone would like to post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Here are photos of Vince's bar. Thank you for making them available for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Lovely bar! "Unfortunally" to a civilian, makes it a bit more complicated. He's not wearing a long service award but actually should, if he were an Oberstleutnant level officer - and from RAO4/KO3 he were. Most likely an ex-officer. Are there any rolls of British awards (and medals) to Germans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 The DOA does list a Jubilee medal for Great Britian in gold a silver. I am not sure if it is the above medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 Paul, I suppose that could be the diamond jubilee medal? Thanks Claudius for hosting the pictures. I'd like to see more bars with English decorations, so if anyone has any, please show them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Nobody has any German bars with English connections? Or is everyone on holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Gentlemen, The British medal in question is very likely a Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee Medal. These medals were awarded in 1897, and I quote from Ribbons and Medals by H. Taprell Dorling - “It was given in bronze to certain of the soldiers and sailors who took part in the processions through London and who were serving on board the men-of-war when the fleets were reviewed by the Queen”. What does the reverse inscription say? Regards, Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The ribbon is the right one too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 In the german Marineverordnungsblatt only one awarded to german naval officers is published, Korvettenkapitän Gülich, at the german embassy in that time, i think the Marineattacheé. Gülich Allerhöchste Belobigung Kadett 1872, 07.29. Prüfung zum Seekadett mit SEHR GUT Gülich Pr. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz XXV Kapitänleutnant 1889, 05.28. Gülich Pr. RAO 4. Kl. Kapitänleutnant 1889, 06.19. Gülich Zans. O. d. str. Sterns 2. Kl. 3. St. Kapitänleutnant 1889, 08.27. Gülich Pr. Kronen-O. 3. Kl. Korvettenkapitän 1895, 08.10. kommandiert bei der Botschaft in London Gülich GB Erinn.Med. 60j. Jub. Queen Victoria Korvettenkapitän 1897, 07.31. Gülich DR Chinadenkmünze für Kämpfer Kapitän zur See 1901, 05.10.S KAISERIN AUGUSTA Gülich DR Spange TAKU Kapitän zur See 1901, 05.10.S KAISERIN AUGUSTA Gülich Pr. Kronen-O. 2. Kl. Kapitän zur See 1901, 08.04. KAISERIN AUGUSTA, Kommandant bisher Gülich Württb. Friedrichs-O. Komturkreuz 2. Kl. Kapitän zur See 1901, 09.06. II. Matrosendivision, m.d.Vertretung d. Kdrs. beauftr. Gülich Norw. O.v.Hlg.Olaf, Kommandeurkreuz 2. Kl. Kapitän zur See 1902, 01.11. KAISER WILHELM II., Kommandant Gülich Mon. O. v. Hlg. Karl, Großoffizierkreuz Kapitän zur See 1902, 10.08. KAISER WILHELM II., Kommandant Gülich Bay. MVO Komturkreuz Konteradmiral 1904, 10.12. Kmdt. Wilhelmshaven Gülich Pr. Kronen-O. 2. Kl., Stern z. Konteradmiral z.D. 1909, 01.27. FestungsKmd.t v. W'haven Regards NavalMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 It is the 1887 Golden Jubilee Medal in bronze. Mark, I'm wondering if it is Guelich's bar, prior to being upgraded with his later awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I am a little confused, 1887 or 1897 ? Of cause not Gülich, he did not have the Iron Cross 1870. There were only 8 or 9 naval officers who got the EK II 1870, i think this is a former army soldier in diplomatic service. Regards Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) I am a little confused, 1887 or 1897 ? I was confused too and therefore I looked again in the English medals catalogue: 1887 = 50th coronation jubilee 1897 = 60th coronation jubilee As you can read in the catalogue for the 1897 medal: The medal is very similar to the 1887 issue, differing solely in the date and anniversery on the reverse. Best regards, Komtur. Edited August 5, 2009 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I am a little confused, 1887 or 1897 ? Regards Markus That is why I asked "What does the reverse inscription say?" back in post #10. The answer is there - on the reverse. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Guys, it is the Golden Jubilee Medal, not Diamond, as already stated twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Guys, it is the Golden Jubilee Medal, not Diamond, as already stated twice. Got it! :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 BTTT. So, nobody has a spange in their collection with an English decoration? I find that hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I had one......... but Mr.Viceadmirals bar was in the bag of the thiefes when they left my house some years ago..... :violent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 :blush: Sorry VtwinVince, I forgot about this one which I posted quite some time ago. Regards, Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 yup........ that is of course a bar you can forget from time to time.... Do you have a name for that , let`s say , not too often seen combination....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Heiko, sorry to hear about that one, who was the vice-admiral? Wild Card, isn't that a Khedive's Star combo? Surely one-of-a-kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Karl Wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) yup........ that is of course a bar you can forget from time to time.... Do you have a name for that , let`s say , not too often seen combination....??? Yes Heiko Grusdat, the owner was Mohamed Hussein el Zeini. Gentlemen, if you would like to see one of the most complex cases of medal bar owner identification, go to: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8999&hl=Khedive's&st=0 I cannot recall an example that better reflects the capabilities of The Forum and it’s members. Regards, Wild Card Edited September 2, 2009 by Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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