NSDAP Organisation What uniform is he wearing?

[Naxos]

I got this driver-license issued by Artillerie-Ersatz-Abteilung (mot) 59.

According to Herbert Bremer's Soldbuch he was a Kriegsassessor

I will add a better picture later

Edited November 8, 2009 by Naxos

[Paul R]

The photo looks like he is wearing a Forestry tunic. Can you make a closer scan of the photo?

[Paul R]

That is really cool!

[Naxos]

That is really cool!

Thank you Paul;

Did Forestry uniforms have the Wehrmacht eagle over the right chest pocket?

Edited November 12, 2009 by Naxos

[Laurence Strong]

Yes. Uniform regulations for Army Forestry Officials were published on 28 Febuary 1935 (H.Dv. 120) The Forestry Officials wore the basic uniform of the State Forestry Officials but with national emblems of the army design.

Hope this helps some

Larry

Edited November 12, 2009 by Laurence Strong

[Naxos]

Yes. Uniform regulations for Army Forestry Officials were published on 28 Febuary 1935 (H.Dv. 120) The Forestry Officials wore the basic uniform of the State Forestry Officials but with national emblems of the army design.

Hope this helps some

Larry

:cheers:

[Gordon Craig]

Gents,

A small correction. By the time this picture was taken the Heer wore army style uniforms with Heer shoulderboards, including the use of rank stars instead of the acorns worn by the Forestry service. The collar tabs used Forestry style ranks. Although the picture is not very clear, Pauls excellent eyesight has picked out the Forestry ranks on the collar tabs in this picture. His rank is probably Forstassessor.

Regards,

Gordon

Edited November 12, 2009 by Gordon Craig

[Naxos]

I will post a better picture soon.

Thank you!

[Paul R]

Gents,

Pauls excellent eyesight has picked out the Forestry ranks on the collar tabs in this picture.

Regards,

Gordon

20/10 vision is a great thing, when my ADHD is not kicking in.

[Laurence Strong]

Gents,

A small correction. By the time this picture was taken the Heer wore army style uniforms with Heer shoulderboards, including the use of rank stars instead of the acorns worn by the Forestry service. The collar tabs used Forestry style ranks. Although the picture is not very clear, Pauls excellent eyesight has picked out the Forestry ranks on the collar tabs in this picture. His rank is probably Forstassessor.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon

When did the uniform change, and can you source that for me?

Thanks

Larry

[Gordon Craig]

Larry,

I can not remember the exact date. Possibly in the early 40s? Most of my reference books are still packed as a result of my recent move from Hungary back to Canada. You should be able to find a reference to these uniforms being worn in the Heer in either Vol 1 or Vol 2 of Angolia and Schlicht's books "Uniform and Traditions of the German Army 1933-1945. One reference for the Luftwaffe is in "The Luftwaffe", page 182, by Roger James Bender.

Regards,

Gordon

ps- I just looked through Bender's book and he sites two references for the uniforms worn in the Luftwaffe Forestry Service as follows;

"Hettler, E. UNIFORMEN DER DEUTSCHEN WEHRMACHT, NACHTRAG 1939/1940. Excellent coverage is to be found on the Luftwaffe Forestry Officials on page XLVII - XLIX"

"Luftwaffen-Verordnungsblatt, July 21, 1941. The order was numbered 791 and dated July 10, 1941."

Edited November 13, 2009 by Gordon Craig

[Gordon Craig]

Here is a tunic from the Wehrmacht Foresty Service. The national emblem has been removed from the tunic at some time and I have not replaced it.

Regards,

Gordon

Edited November 14, 2009 by Gordon Craig

[Gordon Craig]

Shoulder boards and collar tabs.

[Gordon Craig]

The trousers that came with the tunic.

[Gordon Craig]

The visor cap as worn by lower grade careers. It was made by Erel. The eagle is the same basic design as worn by the Heer but slightly smaller in size.

[Gordon Craig]

A side view.

[Gordon Craig]

An interior shot showing the Erel stamp on the leather sweat band. The Erel name is also on the sweat shield but is very pale and does not show up in a photo. The small tag is the original price tag on the hat.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Gordon Craig

[Gordon Craig]

A closer view of the price tag.

[Naxos]

Very nice!

Gordon, the collar tabs, I can't tell, are they dark green or black in color?

[nesredep]

Hello!

The colat tabs looks dark green to me.

All the best

Morten.

[Gordon Craig]

Gentlemen,

Yes they are dark green. In normal light they are so dark they look black. It is only under the camera flash that they look dark green. Theoretically they should be black but I have never seen a black set of collar tabs either on or off of a Forestry uniform. I have uniforms with grey, brown and green. I have been searching for a black pair for years without success.

Regards,

Gordon

[Paul R]

The tabs in the soldbuch are the gray ones.

[Gordon Craig]

Paul,

Nice Forestry tabs.

Regards,

Gordon

[Naxos]

Paul,

Nice Forestry tabs.

Regards,

Gordon

Yes, very nice Paul!

Gentlemem,

what is the reason for the different colors? Is it similar to the Waffenfarben of the Luftwaffe, what was the regulation on Forestry tab colors?

Hardy

[Gordon Craig]

Hardy,

The different coloured tabs were used by different organizations. Up to 1935 each state had its own Forestry Service. At that time they were all combined into a National Forestry Service. Dark green has always been the colour for forestry organizations in Germany so regardless of the colour of the collar tabs the trim on the uniforms was dark green in most cases regardless of the branch of forestry service they served in. Dark green collar tabs were worn by National Forestry people. Grey was for Heer (at least in this photo so we will leave it that - my reference books say they should be bllack), black for Luftwaffe and brown was worn by private foresters. The trim around the shoulder boards will be the same colour as the collar tabs. As I said earlier in this thread, I have never seen a black set of collar tabs and if you ask a German dealer about getting you a set he will laugh at you. I am beginning to wonder if they ever existed. The tasks of the forester were the same in all instances regardless of what branch they served in. IE the care and protection of forested lands and animals.

Here is a picture of a private forestry tunic from my collection. The earlier picture I posted was of an "A Rock" which is used for dress occassions. This one is termed a "B Rock" which was worn as a service dress in the office and in the forest.

The shirt is not a contemporary one but is an approximate match for colour. It is actually a communist era air force shirt of a type produced just before the communist regime fell and was never issued. The tie is a civilian and both it and the shirt came with the tunic.

Regards,

Gordon

Edited November 16, 2009 by Gordon Craig