Heinrich LAMMERS

[Thierry]

Bonsoir,

Thank you for all infos,

but still no identification ribbonbar.

Crdl

Thierry

[Berlinerbummel]

Thierry -

 

Did you ever figure out ribbon 2 and 3 on your ribbon bar - the 8er?

They have to be WWI ribbons so we need a rangliste!

EKII 1914

Kriegshilfe

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Ehenremkreuz - 1934

Silesian Eagle 2^nd Class

Red Cross Medal

Hungary – WWI Commemorative - 1934

 

On pocket

 

EKI

Silver Wound Gold Party Badge

 

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Neck Medals / Breast Stars

 

Lippe Detmold House Order II Klasse

Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern, - wears on ribbon bar

Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell Ordine della Corona d’Italia,

 

Other:

 

- Deutsche Olympia Ehrenzeichen 1. kl (1936), - wears on ribbon bar

 

- Treudienst Ehrenzeichen 40 jahr (6 juillet 1939),- ribbon bar

 

 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 März 1938, - ribbon bar

 

- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938, - ribbon bar

 

- Dienstauszeichnungen d. NSDAP in Bronze.- not worn

[Solomon]

Oh I have a picture of Lammers in my collection.
No.3 is the Lippe-Detmold house order with swords (no idea which class, as he is wearing the 2nd class at the neck)
No.4 is the Lippe-Detmold war merit cross.

...and I know, why he got the Lippe-Detmold house order 2nd class with swords:

There was recently an interesting article in our local newspaper about it.
The adjudant and personal friend of the former Prince Leopold IV of Lippe-Detmold Georg Freiherr von Eppstein got arrested and deported by the Nazis in 1942.

Leopold IV. tried to convince Lammers that von Eppstein would be allowed to emigrate to The Netherlands, which was denied.
For this Lammers received for sure the 2nd class of his house-order without success.
Georg von Lammers died in the KZ Teresienstadt in 1942.

...and another intersting fact:
Lammers was in the same regiment as von Eppstein during WW1.

Here is the article about the Lammers-von Eppstein story (in German):

https://www.westfalen-blatt.de/OWL/Kreis-Lippe/Detmold/3696981-Briefe-zeigen-Lippes-letzter-Herrscher-wollte-Freund-vor-dem-KZ-bewahren-Enkel-kauft-Grab-Wie-der-Fuerst-um-das-Leben-eines-Juden-kaempfte

Edited January 29, 2020 by Solomon

[Berlinerbummel]

I got this from the Axis forum:

8-place bar:

EKII 1914
Preussisches Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe
Sächsisches Ritterkreuz 2. kl des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens mit Schwertern,
Lippisches KVK am Band für Kämpfer,
Ehenremkreuz - 1934
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen 2. kl,
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 2. kl,
Ungarisches Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern

11-place Bar:

EKII 1914 
Preussisches Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe
Sächsisches Ritterkreuz 2. kl des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens mit Schwertern,
Lippisches KVK am Band für Kämpfer,
Ehenremkreuz - 1934
Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen 2. kl,
Treudienst Ehrenzeichen 40 Jahre (6 juillet 1939),
Deutsches Olympia Ehrenzeichen
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 März 1938,
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938 mit Spange «Prager Burg»,
Ungarisches Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern

The Red Cross and Olympia ribbons should not technically be on the ribbon bar because they are higher awards worn as badges but many higher-up wore them anyway.

Here are other awards not on the ribbon bars:

EKI
Silver Wound Gold Party Badge (not worn)   

Neck Medals / Breast Stars

Danziger Kreuz 1. kl (31 août 1939),- not worn
Lippe Detmold House Order II Klasse - worn
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern, 
Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell’Ordine della Corona d’Italia,
Cavaliere di Gran Croce dell’Ordine dei Santi Maurizio e. Lazzaro,
Sächsisches Grosskreuz des Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausordens (1935),
Deutsches Olympia Ehrenzeichen 1. kl (1936),
Ehrenzeichen des DRK 1. kl mit Halsdekoration u. Bruststern,
Jugoslawisches Grosskreuz des Ordens d. Krone von Jugoslawien,
Goldenes Ehrenzeichen d. NSDAP (31 janvier 1937),= Party Badge - wprn
Spanisches Ritterkreuz d. Ordens von Joch u. den Pfeilen (9 février 1941),
Japanisches Orden des Heiligten Schatzes 1. kl am Grossen Bande (29 mars 1941),

 

Dienstauszeichnung d. NSDAP in Bronze.(not on ribbon bar)

 

[Bayern]

Hello , Lammers was a contemptible person , as Dr Frick ,and others ,he was a Lawyer , a in principle ,custodian of the Law .far from this ,he Crooked the Laws and the Right . He accused high rank Soldiers of being bribed but himself was bribed. he gained a well deserved place on the gallows but they were benevolents and only received 20 years . regarding the Prince , note that von Eppstein was deported to Theresienstadt , the Modelic Lager for Prominenten Juden , Camp which the propaganda presented as a kind of Spa for those Jews of Importance . possibly the Prince was deceived . It was not until the very end of the War that the real nature of Terezin was discovered

[Solomon]

Well, Prince Leopold IV. was not appreciated by the Nazi party, too.

There is a (true) funny story, that Leopold IV. denied to welcome Adolf Hitler on his castle in Detmold.
Instead he met him at the "Detmolder Hof", a hotel closeby the castle ?

Leopold IV. tried to convince Lammers in an open letter to him, by Lammers replied that he cannot do anything to get Georg von Eppstein free.

Von Eppstein used to be married with a non-jewish lady, but when she died, his protection died, too.

 

[Bayern]

Solomon , Prince Leopold was also not appreciated by William II , the Emperor lost a quarrel with Leopold ,a dinastic question in which the Prince had the reason. 

[Solomon]

Oh yes, indeed. ?
Wilhelm II.´s sister Viktoria married Prince Adolf zur Schaumburg-Lippe in 1890. Wilhelm II. only agreed, because it was forseen that Adolf also would take over the principal Lippe-Detmold.
In fact he only ruled Lippe-Detmold for a few years until Grafregent Ernst zur Lippe-Detmold took over Lippe-Detmold in 1897 and handed over his power to his son Prince Leopold IV. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld in 1905.
Prince Adolf zur Schaumburg-Lippe lost finally the lawsuit against it in 1905, although the Emperor Wilhelm II. interfered a lot.
And this fight for the small principal Lippe-Detmold was also the reason, why Wilhelm II. never visited the castle in Detmold.

Today it´s a quite funny story...I have a few books from that time dealing with this lawsuit in my collection...

 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Solomon

[Bayern]

Hello Solomon ,Thanks very much ! Today is a funny story but in those times was a serious matter , In the Federal Empire the Emperor and King was basically a primus inter pares and the federate Princes were at least in theory Equals respect to certain matters. William II lost with frequency this perspective , sometimes with minor consequences others not