Mongolia ORDER OF MILITARY MERIT

[Vatjan]

ORDER OF MILITARY MERIT aka Order of combat Service

T1V1: Screwback - 5 rivets - flatback

T1V2: Screwback - 2 rivets - circular indention on reverse

T2 1970's pinback

PIC: T1V1

Edited December 20, 2005 by vatjan

[Vatjan]

T1V2: Screwback - 2 rivets - circular indention on reverse

[Vatjan]

T2 1970's pinback

[Ed_Haynes]

Order of Military Merit

Type 1.1 (Screwback; flat reverse; 5 rivets)

Low = 101 High = 840

Type 1.2 (Screwback; circular indentation at center on reverse; 2 rivets)

Low = 1038 High = 5873

Type 2 (Pinback)

Low = 6036 High = 8722

1049: 1/10/1959

2146: 00/06/1969

2695: 1972 Kuznetsov, Nikolaj Gerasimovitsh, Fleet Admiral USSR

2777: 1971 Petrov, Vasilij Ivanovitsh, Marshal USSR

5685: 27/03/1987

6515: 4/07/1991 Daramzhav, Radnaashjn

8126: 9/08/1999 Nanzivdarn Dendev

Sources:

Eric and Jan

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3249&st=0

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3249&st=13

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3249&st=20

[Ed_Haynes]

Just as a link to Yuri Yashnev's site on ОРДЕН ?ЗА БОЕВЫЕ ЗАСЛУГИ?:

http://www.netdialogue.com/yy/Asia/Mongoli...erviceOrder.htm

[Ed_Haynes]

A documented Order of Combat Valor set where all actually seems to be correct and in order!

Edited April 14, 2006 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

The badge, type 1.2 (A 29), # 1552.

[Ed_Haynes]

The document, part one, no photo (how used are we to THAT?!?).

[Ed_Haynes]

And the interesting part. Order of Combat Valor, #1552, 29 September 1964.

[Stogieman]

Who the heck were the Mongolians fighting in 1964?? Or is this more along the lines of the Soviet Military Merit Medal?

[Guest Rick Research]

Indeed-- we've covered that in other threads. These continued to be long service awards. Why they simply never created long service medals is a mystery, but festooning "Orders" with grandious names for

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mere Time Served

is precisely the case.

That is why I so strongly advocate ACCURATE translation of all theses as "Military" in place of "Combat."

[Ed_Haynes]

OK, OK . . .

. . . have it your way . . .

. . . henceforth it'll be the Baildaani gav'yaany odon (since the forum won't take Mongolian).

Are you happy now, Rick?? And what is an accurate ("accurate") translation of the Mongolian????

Edited April 14, 2006 by Ed_Haynes

[Ed_Haynes]

Who the heck were the Mongolians fighting in 1964?? Or is this more along the lines of the Soviet Military Merit Medal?

And there were ongoing border clashes with the Chinese anyway . . .

[Guest Rick Research]

I'll just post pix and point!

[Stogieman]

Hi Ed, I leave the finer translation points to you and the Good Doctor... perhaps some language lessons this summer?!!

[Ed_Haynes]

Hi Ed, I leave the finer translation points to you and the Good Doctor... perhaps some language lessons this summer?!!

That is near the top of my "to do" list: consulting with Dr. B on accurate English names (for example, I am convinced it is the "Order of the Vajra", and it is just that he assumed, maybe rightly, that no English speakers had or were willing to use an English-language dictionary so it got a dumb translated name as the "Precious Rod"). While we need, when possible, to use correct names, we must start with what the awards are called in THEIR language rather than inventing English names that we wish had been used instead. There is also some value in consistency. I suspect we'll never get rid of the "Order of the Polar Star" naming even though the real name -- Algan gadas Odon -- is the Golden Stake Order. I suspect that if I spoke of the "Golden Stake Order", no non-Mongolian speaker would know what I was talking about. Unless, of course, I bothered to put it into print, and offer a revision of the previously accepted nomenclature. But, then, that might just be seen a sbeing too much work.

I have actually started working, as best I can, on Mongolian. But why do I start it just as they are dropping the old foreign script and going back to one that works well for the language?

[Ed_Haynes]

See also: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8184

[Ed_Haynes]

Whatever we call this thing, here's an effort at a renewed typology:

Type 1.1 (Screwback; flat reverse; 5 rivets); Low = 101/High = 840; 1945-??

Type 1.2 (Screwback; circular indentation at center on reverse; 2 rivets); Low = 1038/High = 5873; 19??-70

Type 2.1 (Pinback, 4 rivets, silver); Low = 6036/High = 8722; 1970-2004

Type 2.2 (pinback, bronze); Low = 7120/High = 9066; 2004?

Will post some missing varieties here tomorrow.

[Ed_Haynes]

Noticed we didn't have a Type 2.2 of the Baildaani gav'yaany odon (happy, Rick??) shown here, so here is the ugly thing. We might guess at the existence of a Type 2.3, unnumbered??

[Ed_Haynes]

Not that there is much happening over here, but here are a couple of documentsd Baildaani gav'yaany odon sets, just to interrupt the silence. With later paper document:

[Ed_Haynes]

# 6972, 29 August 1995.

[Ed_Haynes]

And . . .

[Ed_Haynes]

# 7388, 15 September 1995.

Just 17 days and 416 numbers later that the previous set!

Edited August 24, 2006 by Ed_Haynes

[Eric Gaumann]

Anyone have a weight on any of these, specifically a T1V2 please?

Thanks.

[fjcp]

Anyone have a weight on any of these, specifically a T1V2 please?

Thanks.

Here are two I've got handy,

T1V1 41.3g ( without screw plate)

T2V1 48.4g

JC