Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Some additional photos of the latest batches of fake Prussian & bavarian Badges on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Reverse of pilot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Notice how very close they are in many, many respects. Detail of maker mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 The Prussian Observer fake: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Reverse of Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 An odd side shot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 These little gems have been cast from originals. Under magnification, the casting pock marks become glaringly obvious. In addition, they're about slightly shorter than an original badge. Width is almost perfect. In addition to Pilot & Observer; a similar design/constructed Prussian Aerial Gunner Badge bearing fake Meybauer maker marks has been observed. The design follows Meybauer badges correctly with respects to correct style of crown and ribbon on the front. reverse bears 3 fake rivet impressions to give the illusion that the bird is riveted together a la Juncker..............Use Caution!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Stogie,Thanks for posting these. I am taking my time to do my homework before acquiring an example of each of these.Could you post the auction numbers or the name of the seller for future reference, please?Thanks in advance,David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hi David, I don't have the numbers, snagged these photos awhile back. The badges are not offered by any one individual..... they show up in both the US, the UK and Europe from a multitude of sellers. Beware of ones with the pins snapped off....... look very closely, a snapped pin and there's a high probability it's one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Well done, Rick! Thanks for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dunn Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) "These little gems have been cast from originals. Under magnification, the casting pock marks become glaringly obvious. In addition, they're about slightly shorter than an original badge. Width is almost perfect. In addition to Pilot & Observer; a similar design/constructed Prussian Aerial Gunner Badge bearing fake Meybauer maker marks has been observed. The design follows Meybauer badges correctly with respects to correct style of crown and ribbon on the front. reverse bears 3 fake rivet impressions to give the illusion that the bird is riveted together a la Juncker.............."Why even bother to try and buy these without holding them in hand? If it takes "magnification" to see the faults--damn--stop collecting them and let the stock piles of fakes stay in their hands. If it takes magnification to determine an original to a fake--stop buying any of them online and put a dent in the fake market... Also, would it be possible to point out why the badge is a fake? Maybe an arrow pointing to the reason? Just to post a photo and say it is fake really does not show the reason why. Mike Edited January 2, 2006 by Mike Dunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dunn Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Another thought comes to mind on Imperial flight badges..lets say you buy one that is "good' from someone who "knows". Then you deside to part with it and there is a question about it..How can one "prove" that it is a period piece? While these badges are wonderful to look at, nice to talk about--they are a fricking mine field and one that requires very careful steps. I would love to own some-but never will because the seem to be so damn hard to authenticate. Oh well--just a new years thought I guess. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 And therein lies much of the problem Mike. The best and first thing you can do is only buy the badge from someone you know and trust to know what the heck they are doing. Whomever they are, make sure they offer an iron-clad return policy on authenticity.You can't buy these from photographs unless you relly know what you're doing and even then there's a very large margin for error..... Let's look at another clever offering: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Additional view: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 And another view: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 And the maker's mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Not easy...the case is completely not standard, and maybe a tip-off that someone's dressing up a sow's ear. Has that uneven hallmark been darkened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Unaltered foto as offered by the seller of the cased badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Unaltered foto as offered by the seller of the cased badgeOkay, I've been burning incense and meditating to try and tap into Stogie's higher consciousness on this one... Could the weak hallmarking be a tipoff of a cast job? The hallmarking could have been rolled but it just looks weak, the letters even a little dubious, and maybe chemically darkened? I guess you'd really need a loupe to confirm that everything has sharp edges. And that box is bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) On second thought, if it's cast, it's from a bogus badge. I don't like the lettering or spacing. Here's Otto's... Edited January 2, 2006 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 or maybe you could just save the photo of the back of Luftmensch's badge and come to the Nirvana that if it's Juncker, it better look EXACTLY like his. This will be irrespective of whether the badge bears full marks, or just the moon 800. It better be the same..............The badge in the case is bogus. The mark is bogus. I have no clue what the case is, but it is NOT a period case by Juncker, or by Meybauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 (edited) come to the Nirvana...So next time you're in doubt at a show, chantOmmmm Stogiemani padme hummm for enlightenmentbut carry a picture of Otto's badge in your wallet. Edited January 3, 2006 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Hello, (new member here);Any advice then on someone who is contemplating a purchase on the authenticity of a Bav. Pilot badge. Let's just suppose, I have a photo of the badge (the back). Would it be possible to be comfortable with the badge? I understand that without holding it, it would be impossible to be 100%, but a photo goes a long way.Thanks in advance.Bav_Pilot_badge_4_sale.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Claudius, your photo isn't showing up. Front & back would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Claudius, your photo isn't showing up. Front & back would be better.I can't seem to get a photo to attach to my replies. The message is that the size of the photo is too large. "The total filespace required to upload all the attached files is greater than your per post or global limit. Please reduce the number of attachments or the size of the attachments." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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