Medal Bar Help

[rujab]

Hallo

Today I finally recieved my Medal-Bar,would like to find out who was the person

that wore it.I am asking foor help.The Medal is from Hannover ``24 März 1813. 18.Juni 1913

It only has to do with them or the Hessens ??Do the Hannoveraner have an Award list What are the

once which are missing.I would appreciate any help.

Regards

Rudi

[rujab]

[HeikoGrusdat]

Nice bar Rudi..... I would say we have two possibilities for the missing pieces:

1. KO4 + AEZ2

or

2. KO3 + RAO4

seems to be the bar of a NCO and later official (some sort of...) , in my eyes - unfortunately - no (or nearly no...) way to find him ...

But again , very nice bar !!!

Grüße

Heiko

[Paul C]

It is an enlisted mans bar and I do not think that there is much chance to ID the owner.

[Daniel Krause]

Ohhhh...nice one!

screams to be a Paymaster with KO4 and AEZ.

Greetings

Daniel

[HeikoGrusdat]

As a paymaster with KO4 and AEZ he must have had more than the 9 year service medal , no?

I would guess the two missing pieces were awarded as a cilvil man , not in military service anymore.....

[Claudius]

Doesn't anyone find that Hessen Order w/swords on the end a strange position for the combatant award?

[HeikoGrusdat]

Doesn't anyone find that Hessen Order w/swords on the end a strange position for the combatant award?

Claudius,

this medal bar is built up in a prussian mounting precedence - so this one in last place is the first "foreign" not prussian award on the bar...everything ok with it!

[Daniel Krause]

@ Heiko,

Paymasters were former career NCO´s. They got their Long Service Award according their years as NCO. As Paymaster (Level 1st Lt) they were Beamte and not entitled for another LS Award until 1914.

Greetings

Daniel

[HeikoGrusdat]

Thank you Daniel, never thought that was the procedure for paymasters too.... :beer:

[saschaw]

Thanks Daniel! Thought they would have received them, but it makes pretty sense.

So this must be (I agree with you it just screams) a Zahlmeister's ca. 1913 bar: New style long service award. In 1914 he probably would have received the XXV cross, as soon as he was allowed to.

Now just to check the rank lists for a guy with KO4, AEZ, HP4X...

:whistle:

[VtwinVince]

Really outstanding bar, particularly with the Hessen award. Although an NCO's award, you don't see them often on spangen.

[HeikoGrusdat]

Bad weather tonight..........could not sleep...........but I found no paymaster with that combination

Best suspect I can offer , maybe someone can check this with any source for a AEZ or RAO after 1905 , is :

Festungs-Oberbauwart Demmerle from Mainz , listed in the DOA 04/05 with KO4 , EK2 , HssP5X , D70/71 and PrZM

I know the DA is missing , but the DOA is often not complete with all entries........

[rujab]

Hallo Heiko

Den hatte ich auch schon auf meiner Liste,

im DOA 1908/9 steht er noch genauso da.

Gruss

Rudi

[HeikoGrusdat]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............let`s play a game............. he is a long serving old man...... what about the possibility (given that it is Mr.Demmerle) that it is not a AEZ missing but a KO3 + RAO4 - I don`t know how high the term Festungs-Oberbaurat is.... would he be able to get KO3 + RAO4 ? That would make more sense then that they are missing....

[Daniel Krause]

Yup, that is as well an nice group to fit.

Festungsbau-Oberwart (not Rat) were the same types of Beamte like Zahlmeister.

As far as I know, they are not in the Ranglisten until the corps of Festungsbauoffiziere were created.

I check some Siekmanns, maybe they are in.

Greetings

Daniel