Scowen Posted July 31, 2011 Author Posted July 31, 2011 Don here is the reverse image. Would Meisterzeichen be the winner of the event or do you think that this would be given to attendees of the event and not participants? Have a nice weekend. Robert Hi Robert, I've no idea......... I've never seen this badge before, or seen the phrase "Meisterzeichen" used in this context. More research is required (just when I thought that I was getting to grips with these shooting badges as well ). It's very interesing that Danner was the maker & not one of the usual suspects seen on these Tirol badges (Klammer, Pichl or Poellath). Thanks for posting it Robert. Cheers Don
BURGERHAUS Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Don Well if there is anyone that can figure this one out it would be you. Thanks for your reply. Robert
Wood Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Not sure if this is a tinnie or a badge for the event. Better posted here than lost among the general tinnie database. Bregenz.
Wood Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 This one is a tinnie....I think. Garmish-Partenkirchen.
Scowen Posted November 1, 2011 Author Posted November 1, 2011 Hi Pete, Sorry for my very late reply. Yes the second one is indeed a tinnie, however the first is the Meister Class (gold with oakleaves) grade given out at the Bregenz Kreisschießen. As I'm sure you know by now, these were achievement badges & a minimum score had to be attained to qualify to receive one. Thanks for showing it, I've known of the existence of this design but have never actually seen one. Very nice! Thanks Don
--dj--Joe Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Do you feel Roberts Meisterzeichen badge may have been a day badge (tinnie) for the event? --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted November 23, 2011 Author Posted November 23, 2011 Do you feel Roberts Meisterzeichen badge may have been a day badge (tinnie) for the event? --dj--Joe I really do not know what to think of it Joe. Part of me says "yes a tinnie", but the word "Meisterzeichen" makes me wonder. It's construction would indicate a tinnie...... More research is needed I'm afraid. Cheers Don
speedytop Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Mi, a "Meisterzeichen" is not and never a day badge for an event. It is a meritorious badge for specified requirements. You can find such badges on different levels, shooting club, town, district etc. See for example a modern one (honoring for exceptional shooting achievements): http://www.schuetzen...zirkes-schwaben The badge from Kitzbühel is from a district association "Kreis-Schützen-Verband" It could be an honorable badge for different town champions in the district. It could be a badge for shooters in the district with excellent shooting results. But it could not be a day badge. Uwe
--dj--Joe Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Meister schießen, (master shoot). As opposed to, Meisterzeichen, (masters mark), (masters sign),(makers mark). Perhaps this piece is in reference to the logo of the Ibex on the round target with swas. and the oakleaves and acorns. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 Another point of interest is the name on the badge. As Uwe points out, it is for a local shooting association "Kreis-Schützen-Verband Kitzbühel", however in October 1938 ALL shooting clubs, guilds & societies, as well as all culteral groups (music & dancing etc) were brought under the umbrella of the "Standschützenverband Tirol-Vorarlberg". So it must be from the very early period to name it as a verband in its own right.... Cheers Don
Wood Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I hope this one belongs here as well. Lienz 1944. Bronze grade I think. Edited March 9, 2012 by Wood
Scowen Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Another fine piece Pete, & yes it belongs here. A considerable number of these Lienz badges have turned up on the market in the last two years & I suspect that a "hoard" has been found in an old Schützen haus. I DO NOT believe that they are fakes, although I do suspect that they have been reconditioned, i.e. cleaned up & repainted etc, although I have no proof of this. They are magmetic & I do not think that the fakers would bother using ferrous metal. It is just too hard & needs very high temperatures to work with to get the sort of detail we are seeing here. Here are my three, I still need the gold with oakleaves.... Cheers Don
Scowen Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Sorry, ran out of room.... Here's the gold.
Wood Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Hmm, I see what you mean Don, so many different shades, and the rather haphazard placement of the pin. Pete
AlecH Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Bought this 1942 Tirol shooting set - large 51,5 mm diameter KK - Gewehr Shooting Badge and his mini brother 23mm diameter at the weekend.
Scowen Posted July 11, 2012 Author Posted July 11, 2012 A couple of very fine pieces you found, now you need the rest of the set Thanks for showing them... Don
--dj--Joe Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I appreciated seeing them. They both look to be in good condition. Regards, --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Thought I'd post this to make up for some of my less than good pictures. This is a great informative thread that I have learned so much from. Thank you Don and all contributors. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 Thank you for posting this Joe. The Armeegewehr is the rarer of the 1940 Meisterklasse badges. It's the Kleinkaliber that is more often found. Cheers Don
--dj--Joe Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Don, from your first post I see a 41 dated Wehrmanngewehr badge. Did that designation end in 1941? Seems I asked this question way back but your reply is lost in the fog of age.--dj--Joe
Scowen Posted June 16, 2015 Author Posted June 16, 2015 Don, from your first post I see a 41 dated Wehrmanngewehr badge. Did that designation end in 1941? Seems I asked this question way back but your reply is lost in the fog of age.--dj--JoeHi Joe, No, it simply became Wehrmann from 1942 onwards.... Don
--dj--Joe Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Thanks Don. Guess I need a good reference book. I saw a bronze 1939 Landesschiessen marked A.G. & CO. Munchen. I don't see too many A. G. & CO.'s beside the 1940 Kleinkaliber - Meisterklasse badges. Was wondering if they only produced in the early years?--dj--Joe
Scowen Posted June 18, 2015 Author Posted June 18, 2015 A.G. & co pieces are only found as bronze, silver & gold 1939 & the Kleinkaliber 1940 badges.A.G. & co marked badges are very controversial. Many believe them to be fake, the main reason being that so far no one has been able to identify who exactly A.G. & co were (if they existed during the period).However the badges are not cast copies or made with old dies as there are die differences between the Poelatth & the AG pieces. Both Poellath & the AG pieces are magnetic & they also have the same measurements....So if they are fake then someone went to great lengths to make them the same.
--dj--Joe Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Aktiengesellschaft & Co. I know, too simple. I have observed listings like this but why joint company co.? Corporation different than company?Arbeitsgemeinschaft?Just thinking --dj--Joe Edited June 18, 2015 by --dj--Joe More thinking.
--dj--Joe Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Hope some of you good folks are finding new and needed items for you collections. I have not managed to turn up any items to add to mine. Miss the thrill of the hunt. --dj--Joe
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