Elmar Lang Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Hello, your contribution is an interesting addition to this discussion. In this case (the medals struck to be mounted on "german-style" Ordensspangen, after the Anschluß), such medals have to be considered among the pieces produced for private purchase, because the original, imperial Austrian medals, were easily mounted on german-style bars. Best wishes, E.L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Christian1962 said: and: there were after WW1 produced medals for mounting on german-style bars from 1938 to 1945. They have a different style for attachment and ring. Regards Christian Hi Gents i have to admit I clipped the mounting ring off a silver FJi with no signature. I don't mind an honest copy but don't like fakes. A 'friend' who I buy postcards from, regularly has Medal finds too but sells elsewhere. He does however list 'Hindenburgs' and 'tapferkeits' as so common. I bought it cheap described as 2nd class award. I trust him and believe it was a 'find' but without the signature I didn't trust it. Despite trusting him. This thread and recent comments are appreciated and I think important to our community to note...... Thanks tony 12 hours ago, Elmar Lang said: Hello, your contribution is an interesting addition to this discussion. In this case (the medals struck to be mounted on "german-style" Ordensspangen, after the Anschluß), such medals have to be considered among the pieces produced for private purchase, because the original, imperial Austrian medals, were easily mounted on german-style bars. Best wishes, E.L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) Gents, here another addition: starting in the 1920ties owners of the TKM could purchase real gold struck medals from uniform suppliers. Those were produced by the Austrian mint (Hauptmünzamt Wien) until the late 1970ties. I remember that "Uniform Dürbeck" in Wien IX, Berggasse, had a own price list for that. I can not provide pics of the different styles because I don´t collect medals. Maybe Elmar could? Regards Christian Edited November 11, 2017 by Christian1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I have collected four examples of TKM-mounting: Henkelöse: regular models from 1798 until 1918 (in WW1 esp. for real gold medals) - they were not useful for mounting on a triangular ribbon Walzenöse: model mostly used before and in WW1 Kugelöse: mainly used in WW1 Ringöse: used from 1938 to 1945 Regards Christian Edited November 11, 2017 by Christian1962 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koldun Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Anybody want to add this one for his collection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 In this post I see what looks like a fine piece of the 1859-1866 type Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 if it goes cheap and wth original ribbon *lol* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Actually, I see a little defect to the soldering of the suspension, quite visible to the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valgor Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I think the second class silver ones without engravers signature are wartime zink versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xophero Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 14/12/2017 at 09:55, Valgor said: I think the second class silver ones without engravers signature are wartime zink versions. Any help with this recent purchase. I reckon war time zinc. No mm. What you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valgor Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I'm no expert, far from it. I think this is a german produced nineteen thirties piece. Quite a few Austrian -Hungarian 1914-1918 medals are in the 1939 St&L catalogue, for example. Someone more knowledgable then me should comment. But it is awfully quiet in this part of the forum lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 18 hours ago, Valgor said: I'm no expert, far from it. I think this is a german produced nineteen thirties piece. Quite a few Austrian -Hungarian 1914-1918 medals are in the 1939 St&L catalogue, for example. Someone more knowledgable then me should comment. But it is awfully quiet in this part of the forum lately. Yes, it is a pre-WWII production after 1938, look at the "Ringöse" Christian I am not collecting TKMs therefore just two contributions: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I can confirm that officially struck pieces made of zinc existed. Among my a-h Tapferkeitsmedaillen, I have a "bronze" one, with signature of Tautenhayn, the rim struck with a "ZINK" mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valgor Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Hello, Are there Henkelöse (1798 until 1918) for silver tapferkeitsmedals? There is a funny looking first class silver one on emedals, marked sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I missed this before..... good to know thanks On 14/12/2017 at 09:55, Valgor said: I think the second class silver ones without engravers signature are wartime zink versions. ----------------------------- great thread...………. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1812 Overture Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelbonnet Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Just reading the tread and I have learned lots from it. I have the pin back badge or medal which I believe is for a post WW1 association of winner of the Autro-Hungarian bravery medal. It is a well made item 50mm tall and 20 grammes. Note the centre medallion is a stylised version of the triangular ribbon found on the medal The pin is not of the quality one would expect of an item to be worn on uniform. I am correct in my assumption that this is for civilian wear? Gordon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Yes, you are right. The union was called "Bundesvereinigung der Tapferkeitsmedaillenbesitzer". Mostly the decoration was bestowed to members but sometimes for active soldiers too and could be worn on the uniform. The union was closed in 2010 or so. https://www.buchfreund.de/de/d/p/76535363/der-held-organ-bundesvereinigung Regards Christian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ura87 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 04/09/2022 at 16:29, steelbonnet said: Just reading the tread and I have learned lots from it. I have the pin back badge or medal which I believe is for a post WW1 association of winner of the Autro-Hungarian bravery medal. It is a well made item 50mm tall and 20 grammes. Note the centre medallion is a stylised version of the triangular ribbon found on the medal The pin is not of the quality one would expect of an item to be worn on uniform. I am correct in my assumption that this is for civilian wear? Gordon There were other badges... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1812 Overture Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Hi, my friend, Merry Christmas! I would like to ask you if the Carl 1 level bravery medal can be awarded to Germans? I have only seen the example of level 2 or copper in German medals @Christian1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 25/12/2022 at 13:51, 1812 Overture said: Hi, my friend, Merry Christmas! I would like to ask you if the Carl 1 level bravery medal can be awarded to Germans? I have only seen the example of level 2 or copper in German medals @Christian1962 Happy New Year! Sorry for my late reply but I had to check my literature first. I can confirm that the "Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille 1. Klasse" was available for Germans. This was an equivalent to Iron Cross 1st class. "Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille 2. Klasse" was equivalent to Iron Cross 2nd class. Source: Jörg Steiner, Heldenwerk 1914 - 1918, p. 14 Regards Christian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Moving this helpful & interesting thread to the top where it deserves to be 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian1962 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Maybe it´s of interest for anyone of the TKM-collectors here: https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und-verkaufen/d/25-x-varianten-bronze-tapferkeit-medaille-monarchie-760210307 In my opinon a good deal.... Regards Christian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Nice group of medals and I agree, nice price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Agreed good price. Looks like most of the Silver ones have gone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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