JapanX Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Two "eccentric" lions (I find these especially interesting) "Square" lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Beautiful Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 To top it off this exellent photo portrait Thanks to Mitya ( ) we know the name of this cavalier H.H. Shahzada Darab Mirza (186x-1925) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Beautiful Lion Definetly a Bertrand lion and sun. The Lemaitre is my favorite of this latest group posted! It is interesting that Lemaitre also skipped the green enamal rays of this breast star like they did in the earlier Lemaitre posted. Nick, you certainly are an industrialist phaleristic. Thanks for all your great contributions! Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Definetly a Bertrand lion and sun. Completely agree! Nick, you certainly are an industrialist phaleristic. I wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Gabriel Bouffet 1850-1910 was an accomplished French official who finished his career as French Counselor of State. His awards: Knight, legion of Honor 1884 Officer, legion of Honor 1889 Commander, legion of Honor 1909 Commander, Nichan Iftikhar Grand Officer, Royal Order of Cambodia Grand Officer, Order of the Dragon , Annam Knight, Order of Christ, Portugal Knight, Order of Leopold, Belgium 2nd Class Order of Sacred Treasure, Japan 4th Class, Order of Civil Merit, Bulgaria Grand Officer, Order of the Lion and Sun. Persia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Missing JapanX! :( Edited August 4, 2012 by Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Not anymore :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Welcome back! :whistle: :rock on: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukuoka Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Excellent thread! So much info to absorb... Is there a book about this order? And any kind of price guide for a new person like me? I'd love to pick up a couple of these, but I'M not sure what the market is now. I see a few on ebay with Buy it Now prices. Not sure if they are wildly overpriced or not. I'm sure there are many variables that affect the price, but if there are any rough guidelines, that would be great. (I lived in Iran for two years before the Revolution--actually my time ended as the Revolution started--and I'd like to start adding a few Persian medals to my collection. I have a soft spot for the Iran of my youth!) Cheers, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Hi Rich, you've come to the right place with experts like Nick and Markus who'd be able to share their wealth of experience. My two bits worth if you're thinking of dipping your toe. The quality of the European manufactured insignia is typically worlds above the local Persian ones. Many also have identifiable makers marks and each firm had their own distinctive design in how they realised the Lion and Sun enamel painting. If you haven't already, have a look at Markus's gallery of his collection of European lions. Gavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is there a book about this order? And any kind of price guide for a new person like me? I'll send you a selection in a couple of days Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukuoka Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Thanks Nick. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Hi Rich, Gavin is right in that there are wide price variations for this Lion and Sun medal. Generally the Persian made ones are by far more abundant and can be reasonably priced. The exception are very early Persian made Lion and Sun which are quite scarce and usually command high prices at auction. The Persian made ones pop up on Ebay occasionally and seem to fall in the $200-$600 range for a 4th or 5th class model, depending on condition and dealers pricing. Here are a few dealer links that have a range of the Persian made ones for sale: http://www.coins-la-galerie-numismatique.com/orders-medals/order-lion-and-sun-28 http://www.liverpoolmedals.com/Persia-Iran/ https://www.emedals.com/Pages/Auction/Search.aspx?chkA=true&chkDS=true&s=persian The European made ones are a whole different subject. The quality of these European made Lion and Sun medals is fantastic. France, Belgium, Germany and Russia produced the majority of these pieces. Medals with the makers plate on the back are priced at the highest premium. The European made ones can generally be found in European auction houses and the competition can be quite fierce driving the hammer price up to high levels. Occasionally a European made Lion and Sun medal can be found at a dealer and they sell pretty fast. So the prices run the gamut depending on the maker, class of medal, condition of medal and auction competition. Most of the medals in my collection are of European make: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/gallery/album/200-markus-collection-persia-lion-suns/ There are a few antique books on the subject and a Danish book in PDF format that Nick will send your way, but nothing really current and comprehensive. This forum thread probably has the most comprehensive photo record of Lions and Suns available. Your time in Iran as a youth sounds fascinating! Things certainly have changed dramatically for Iran after the revolution and their history is very turbulent in general. Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukuoka Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the advice and the links. I'll mull over the choices and watch ebay. But this thread is really fantastic--such excellent pictures! Thanks for sharing, all of you. Time in Iran was great, actually. I guess under the protection of the Shah, all Americans had a great time. I remember roaming downtown Tehran alone or with friends all the time. I was 13-14 then. We had to leave most of our possessions behind, though, in 1979. So some bittersweet memories as well. Edited August 8, 2012 by fukuoka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 A beautiful unique jeweled Lion and Sun that was recently sold on Ebay for $4,550. The prices on these always amaze me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 close up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) The back. Edited August 9, 2012 by Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 The prices on these always amaze me! I blame diamonds Very interesting and beatiful lion! Cheers, Nick P.S. Can`t see the reverse picture ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Then his eyes were opened :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitya Ivanov Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Incredible: the Sun has not even a hint of his/her usual face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 I can't help but feel a little nervous as to how many of this Lions are being bought for the diamonds and then stripped. This was happening with some silver medals when silver prices were high. They were being bought and melted down for the silver value. Historical vandalism in my view but I can understand how it could be financially lucrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I can't help but feel a little nervous as to how many of this Lions are being bought for the diamonds and then stripped. Romantic strass hunters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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