lambert Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Hi Rob!! A fine example! Still not going to expand my collection of Czech Vic's .. I started with American variants. But a lot, is very interesting. Best Regards lambert
Bilco Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Hi Peron, Another nice example, with the O Spaniel clearly visible. Bill
lambert Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I liked the Ribbon and a very beautiful color. Lambert
Bilco Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, This is my latest acquisition - I was lucky enough to snag this Czech Official Type 1 It has nice, sharp though tiny LA maker's marks - in the space between Victory's wing, hand, laurel branch and helmet on the obverse, and at the 3 o'clock, in the vee at the end of the banner with 1919, on the reverse. Although the obverse is cleanly struck, there are signs of double-striking or die movement on the reverse. I'll try to get clear close-ups over the weekend. All comments welcome, Bill Edited February 8, 2013 by Bilco
Bilco Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, As promised, the close-ups - No O SPANIEL on the obverse. On the reverse the letters between the 2 and 4 o'clock seem quite sharp and well formed, but they get much less sharp away from that quadrant. Similarly, the leaves on the right side seem sharp but on the left they have marks suggesting some movement of the die. The lion in the central shield looks sharp. There is also an odd 'shadow' effect behind the banner with 1914. And the LA maker's marks - On the obverse ... ... and on the reverse. All comments welcome. Bill Edited February 9, 2013 by Bilco
RobW Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Hi Gents, On the reverse the letters between the 2 and 4 o'clock seem quite sharp and well formed, but they get much less sharp away from that quadrant. Similarly, the leaves on the right side seem sharp but on the left they have marks suggesting some movement of the die. The lion in the central shield looks sharp. There is also an odd 'shadow' effect behind the banner with 1914. All comments welcome. Bill Hello Bill, A nice pickup and example. It is not altogether unusual to see small die errors in these official type 1's. At least the Leisek makers marks are nice and strong. They have also been seen with quite muted and soft marks. Regards, Rob
Jean-Michel Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hello Bill, I note that your medal is substantially identical to mine. By cons, there seems to be a difference in the language of the lion. Regards Jean-Michel
Bilco Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hi Jean-Michel, Yes, they are very similar - yours doesn't have the mis-formed lettering on the left side. There is a slight difference in the lions' tongues - Mine is on the left, yours on the right - a slightly different curve on the underside of the tongue. Bill
lambert Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Very good! Bill, I had not seen these details before .. thanks for posting this. Lambert
Jean-Michel Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Hello Bill, Hi Jean-Michel, Yes, they are very similar - yours doesn't have the mis-formed lettering on the left side. There is a slight difference in the lions' tongues - Mine is on the left, yours on the right - a slightly different curve on the underside of the tongue. Bill This is excellent photo editing, we can even better see details. Super! Regards Jean-Michel
Bilco Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, Just in today, my latest acquisition - I think it's the Czech Reissue Type 2, with the larger leaves on the flower to the right of Victory's feet: And the close-ups: And the flower in question: The planchet is 36mm in diameter and just under 3mm thick. The colour is more gold than brass in the hand. My example has the same die flaws (if that is what they are) at the 3 and 9 o'clock on the obverse, and the chevron over the E at the 10 o'clock on the reverse, as the ones pictured in posts #1 and #15 on this thread. Any comments welcome. Bill Edited February 19, 2013 by Bilco
RobW Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Hi Gents, Just in today, my latest acquisition - I think it's the Czech Reissue Type 2, with the larger leaves on the flower to the right of Victory's feet: The planchet is 36mm in diameter and just under 3mm thick. The colour is more gold than brass in the hand. Any comments welcome. Bill Hello Bill, Noting your comment about the planchet colour being more gold than brass, would you class it as a gold-gilt finish or more of a brassy finish? When seen side-by-side these two varieties are immediately different. Once you find one variety of the Reissue type 2 you then need to find the other. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Hi Rob, I guess I would have to say it's brassy rather than gold-gilt. Certainly very light compared with my other Czech vics. Ok, so now I have to look for the other one! Bill Edited February 22, 2013 by Bilco
RobW Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hello Bill, If you grab a copy of pics of the two varieties: * Post # 15 - Matte brass finish. * Post # 16 - Gold-gilt finish. and compare them side-by-side that should be a good guide in your continuing hunt. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Rob, Well, I've compared the ones you mention with mine, with this result: L-R post # 15, post # 16, mine. Mine seems to be somewhere in between - given that there will be differences in the lighting. It shares some features with #15 - the soldered cylinder suspension, and the flaws on the rim at the 3 and 9 o'clock areas - and it doesn't have the golden glow of #16, so I think I'll go for the former - brassy. Bill
RobW Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Rob, Mine seems to be somewhere in between - given that there will be differences in the lighting. It shares some features with #15 - the soldered cylinder suspension, and the flaws on the rim at the 3 and 9 o'clock areas - and it doesn't have the golden glow of #16, so I think I'll go for the former - brassy. Bill Hey Bill, That is, I think, one of the real benefits of this forum. Having the ability to compare posted pics against our examples educates us all. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted November 23, 2013 Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, I've just received, thanks to a heads-up from Rob, the gilt version of the Reissue Type 2: And the obligatory close-up shots: As Rob discussed with me in posts # 88 to 91 above, this one has a beautiful smooth, golden glow compared with the brassy version I posted in post # 87. The detail is also rather sharper than the brassy version, and the suspension is slightly different: The brassy version ® has the cylinder soldered directly to the edge of the planchet, while the gilt version (L) has a small plinth formed on the edge to which the cylinder is soldered. Best wishes, Bill Edited November 23, 2013 by Bilco
davidck Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 Can someone briefly describe the difference between the official Type 1 and 2? I have the 1st edition of Laslo's book, and wasn't even aware until I started posting here that there is an official Type 2, as that doesn't seem to be in the 1st edition.
RobW Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 Hello David, Can someone briefly describe the difference between the official Type 1 and 2? I have the 1st edition of Laslo's book, and wasn't even aware until I started posting here that there is an official Type 2, as that doesn't seem to be in the 1st edition. In the first edition of Mr Laslo's work he lists an official type and another as the 'unofficial type 4', on page 23. These are then illustrated in that volume as plates 18-19 and 21-22 respectively at the back of the book. The 'unofficial type 4' is re-listed as the 'official type 1' and the 'official type' is re-listed as the 'official type 2', in the second edition. The main differences are the lack of a designers name (O. Spaniel) and the presence of maker marks (LA) on the type 1 compared to the presence of a designers name and no makers marks on the type 2. Bill has posted some colour pictures of the type 1, including close-ups of the maker marks in #81 of this thread. That should provide the detail you are looking for. Regards, Rob
davidck Posted December 21, 2013 Posted December 21, 2013 Thanks, Rob. I was wondering if that might be the case, because I noticed the "LV" markings in the pictures here of the Type 1.
rocketscientist Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Hello, this is my Czechoslovakian Interallied Medal, in my collection since some years. Never had the opportunity to ask for opinions, so far. I always wondered whether it is original or not. Please leave your comments. Thank you
lambert Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Hello, this is my Czechoslovakian Interallied Medal, in my collection since some years. Never had the opportunity to ask for opinions, so far. I always wondered whether it is original or not. Please leave your comments. Thank you Hello, Yes it is a good example, Type 2 official, the ribbon is modern replacement. Lambert
rocketscientist Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Great! Thank you. Pity for the ribbon, unfortunately most of my Interallied Medals have new ribbons...
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