Chris Liontas Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I promise I will get better photos of these. But how often do you get to hold two named Pour Le Merite's in your hand? Both of these reside in the Dr Parks museum in Colorado and were given to him by Jacobs himself. Jacob's dunkelblau uniform and medals are also in the museum. --the bright one was given to Jacobs post war by a Navy ace, and the crown is soldered onto the cross itself. --the other looks like an issue piece, but I could not get a good shot of the hallmarks. crappy camera phone- My good 18 Meg one died on me. I will get better photos in a couple weeks if there is interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris Liontas Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_08_2011/post-948-0-16032000-1314242093.jpgughh these stink. I promise better photos. I was playing around with their new Spad XIII wingframe, and the museum director just put these in my hand. Was too excited to hold still. :) Edited August 25, 2011 by Chris Liontas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hi Chris, I remember Claudio's photos from Technical Museum where the original medals (medal bars, ribbon bars, Pour le Mérite, Ehrenbecher etc...) are in Germany. So I don't understand if it is possible that the original medals of Jacobs are in the States. Here is the link : http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/46457-oconnor-sammlung/page__hl__%20josef%20%20jacobs__st__20 I've read the O'Connor's book and the Pour le Mérite (without crown) is not the same at all as in the book !!! Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hello Chris: Thank you for posting these photos. This is a mystery indeed! The PLM on the right is a well-known type of copy of relatively modern manufacture. The piece on the left is possibly a Godet made piece that was modified. I would like to hear more about the story behind this. When did Jacobs give these items to Dr. Parks? Is is possible to also get a photo of the other medals that are with the Jacobs items? Since Jacobs died in 1978 in is entirely possible that he gave these items to Dr. Parks. The piece on the right may have been a piece that Jacobs owned and used for actual wearing, or a piece that he purchased to give as a gift. Very interesting. Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Hi Guys! More to come on this! I love a good mystery! LT Jacobs was a close personal friend of Dr Parks. Dr Parks, MD, was teaching at the University of Munich when he met the Lt. They developed a large friendship and, as I understand from Dr Park's son, Lt Jacobs gave his medals, dunkelblau uniform, and several very nice photos to Dr Parks later on. These items would have to have been given in the late 60's or early 70's. I do not know the exact date, but I will find it. I talked with Stephen Privitaria about the Technical Museum, there is some doubt that the PLM to Lt Jacobs, in the museum, is his actual medal. More to come--I took more close ups and will post them this weekend. Edited September 1, 2011 by Chris Liontas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 closer shot. More to come again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 The medal bar is not near to WW1 era, rather 1960s. The HOH3X is neither an old one. As said, they might be his - but not the awarded ones. Still odd for the medal bar not to include later awards, Hindenburg cross and so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hi, Sorry to say that but this medal bar has not belonged to Jacobs, we are ok with that ? In fact Jacobs received only the Hamburg hanseatic cross and not the Lubeck. About uniform shown here, the Feldbinde seems to be a Bavarian one, can you confirm it ? Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Here a picture of Lt Josef Jacobs group taken at the Technikmuseum during my visit last year. Regards Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 O'Conner had this group in his former collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 and here his Ehrenbecher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thanks Alex for showing those photos Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I talked with Stephen Privitaria about the Technical Museum, there is some doubt that the PLM to Lt Jacobs, in the museum, is his actual medal. More to come--I took more close ups and will post them this weekend. Chris, could you clarify which piece in which museum you've referred to as being doubtful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 Hi, Sorry to say that but this medal bar has not belonged to Jacobs, we are ok with that ? In fact Jacobs received only the Hamburg hanseatic cross and not the Lubeck. About uniform shown here, the Feldbinde seems to be a Bavarian one, can you confirm it ? Christophe Hi Christophe!! I will try to get a better shot of the Feldbinde and confirm it's German State. I honestly would not know a good medal bar from a fake one. However, I have seen photos of Dr Parks and LT Jacobs together with his medals, especially the PLM with Hohenzollern crown attached to it. This makes for a really interesting case. Did LT Jacobs have multiple sets that he wore to certain occasions? Did he have several copies that he got in the 60's as to not damage the original sets? Guys I can tell you for a FACT that this stuff came to Dr Parks from Jacobs. There is no questioning that the Lafyette Foundation in Colorado (USA) recieved these items from the man himself. The neat thing about this story is, what did LT Jacobs consider important to "give away"? Did he have his original, tucked away, and wore good copies to functions. Did he give Dr Parks a copy medal, thinking who would know the difference (and honestly, did he think anyone would ever notice the way we do?) These are the neat questions I would love to ask. Ok more photos (I should be in bed) Here is the book on the Blue Max that features these two awards (this does not mean anything, just wanted to point out these have been around a while) Note the history on the one with the Crown. This doesnt have a date on it, so who is to say it was not made in the 50-60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 The last photo did not load, note again the history (last paragraph) of the information on Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 Photos of the PLM mentioned with the Hohenzollern crown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2011/post-948-0-42390200-1314936165.jpgback (now again I claim no opinion on originality. I just know where it came from) Edited September 2, 2011 by Chris Liontas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 PLM on the uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris Liontas Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 Award document (photo of LT Jacobs in 1978 I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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