Mongolia ORDER BOOKLETS

[Guest Rick Research]

Type 5: entries from 1954 and 1959, so this BACKS dating up 1 year earlier:

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[Guest Rick Research]

and the regulations/precedence pages

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[Vatjan]

Type 5: entries from 1954 and 1959, so this BACKS dating up 1 year earlier:

Thanks Rick, corrections made in listing

Jan

[GlennC]

Document for Order of the Red Banner of Labour #2869

This is replacement for early order #1270

[GlennC]

Document for Order of the Red Banner of Labour #2869

This is replacement for early order #1270

[Bob]

Bump - for old times sake

Not much happening in Mongolia collecting land so why not reread some old threads :cheers:

[Ed_Haynes]

Thank you for this, Bob. Actually, I have been going through my stacks of orphaned booklets and planning a post here, suggesting some fine-tuning of the accepted chronology.

[Bob]

Have a look at below site (may be interesting for several reasons )

http://dolf-soviet-mongolian-awards.blogspot.com/

Now, looking at Lot 9, the award document has a rather interesting first line. Could it be an indication of a replacement award? Anybody else with such an example?

[Bob]

Ha - lucky me, the answer is only a few posts above me in the same thread :speechless:

Edited May 4, 2009 by Bob

[Bob]

Will be posting a type 1/2 booklet here later today - a group just arrived by mail (well, I'm assuming it's a group). If it is, would contain 3 orders and it comes with a fully uighuir script award booklet. No picture (and i can't read uighuir)... but there appears to be a clue in the form of a name written in cyrillic on the inside cover of the front page. Ink is faded (and my cyrillic isn't that great...) but it appears to be: "Cogvoi H.C."

Pics to follow.

[Bob]

[Bob]

Serial nrs:

- 516

- 586 and 2390 for the regular red banners

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[Bob]

A whopping 36 pages of text in this booklet!

Edited January 14, 2011 by Bob

[Bob]

A clue?

[Bob]

I suspect this will be a case of praying for research (and hoping for a positive outcome!)

[Tsend]

Congratulations, Bob. I will send you the translation of the recipients name and other details on the booklet posted. Soon.

[Bob]

Thanks to our forum friend Tsend (who like me wishes that the forum would be more alive! ) some additional information:

1) The document matches (e.g. references the serial nr 516) the Order of the Red Banner of Military Valor but does not mention the other two Red Banners (probably they'd have received seperate books anyway)

2) 516 was awarded on 18 April 1943 with the decree of the Small Khural of number 21

3) The handwritten brief text on the second page states "the order is awarded for the feat in defending the nation" (hmmm combat award? )

4) The page number 3 bears the stamp of the Presidium of the Small Khural and the signatures of President Bumtsend and Secretary Bayar. On the remaining pages is the 1941 Regulation of the awards of the MPR.

5) The booklet has two full names on the page number 1. One name (unclear though) was crossed out and another added. The added full name stands for Sorkin Naum Sahanovich. This is perfectly in line with the faded inside cover writing in Cyrillic which appears to state Sorkin N.S. (or Copkin H.C. in cyrillic) although the last 2 letters are difficult to read. Indication is that a plausible scenario could for instance be that an error was made for instance when drafting multiple of such documents at the embassy in Moscow (e.g. name copied in two booklets from a list of award recipients, so had to be crossed out).

I have asked Nota Bene to try to get some research based on the name alone. Fingers crossed!

Thanks a lot for your help Tsend - very much appreciated :cheers:

[Bob]

Got some help from Nota Bene to point me in the right direction and now have some more hints. It appears (but not 100% confirmed yet) that our man who received the document / red banner (also the other 2?) was a "big guy": a Major General in Soviet military intelligence... in fact, the top intelligence officer in the far east during WW2!

This will probably make research in the Russian archives difficult/impossible, but the initial clues appear to confirm this. More to come later.

[Bob]

Nota Bene pointed me in the right direction, and google helped to expand on this.

The correct name appears (not certain) to be:

Sorkin, Naum Semenovitch, Major-General

(1899 – 1980)

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1923 - 1926 Artilleray Instructor (in Mongolia)

1926 - 1931 Deployed to Soviet Consulate/Embassy in Mongolia

1939 - 1941 Chief of Special Task Section, Directorate of Intelligece, General Staff

1941 - 1945 Chief Intelligence Officer Far Eastern Front

1945 Chief Intelligence Officer 1st Far Eastern Front

1945 - 1947 Chief Intelligence Officer Far Eastern Military District

1947 - 1950 Head of Educational Department, Military-Diplomatic Academy

1950 - 1952 Attending the Military Academy of the General Staff

1952 - 1958 Deputy Head of ? Faculty, Military Academy of Aviation Engineering

1958 Retired

Author of books, such as "V nachale puti. Zapiski instruktora mongolʹskoĭ armii."

Hopefully more to follow.

[Bob]

Even more via http://www.pseudology.org/Abel/Sorkin_NS.htm

One of the leaders of the Soviet military intelligence. Born in Kiev in a family servant. In 1919 graduated from Hebrew College.

Since 1919 - the Red Army. Member of the Civil War.

In 1920 he graduated from the Kharkov team artillery courses. In 1923 - artshkolu.

In 1923-26 - the instructor of the Mongolian army artillery.

In 1926-31 - Soviet consul in Altan-Bulak, Head. Consular Section of the embassy, the 1-st secretary of the embassy in Ulan Bator.

In 1933 he graduated from the training of military and diplomatic personnel.

In 1933-35 - the Red Army. Was at the disposal of the People's Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs and Chairman of the PBC, then People's Commissar of Defence.

In 1935 - before the NCID.

In 1936 - again in the Red Army, Deputy. Chief of the 9 th (Mongol-Xinjiang) of Razvedupra.

In 1939 - ID chief of special mission Razvedupra WPRA.

From 1941 to 1947 - the intelligence chief of the Far Eastern Front. Participant in the war with Japan.

From 02/11/1944 - Major-General.

In 1945 - head of the intelligence section 1 of the Far Eastern Front.

In 1947-50 - head of the Training Division of the Military Diplomatic Academy. After graduating from the Military Academy of the General Staff in 1952-58 - deputy. Head of the Department of the Air Force Engineering Academy.

From 1958 - retired.

Awarded the Order of Lenin, two of the Red Star and medals.

He graduated from Hebrew College (1914), an employee. In the Civic on the Denikin and the Polish front. He graduated from the Kharkov team training (1920) and the Artillery School (1923), served in the artillery. Instructor of Artillery in the Mongolian People's Army (1923-1926), Consul of the USSR in Altan-Bulak (Mongolia), head of the consular department, a secretary of the Soviet Embassy in Mongolia (1926-1931), a reserve NCID, editor for Mongolia in the 2 East and political department of the People's Commissariat (1931-1933). He graduated from the course of military-diplomatic staff (1933), available narkomvoenmora / Defense Commissar (1933-1935), Senior Assistant People's Commissariat of Mongolia (1935-1936), Deputy Head of Division 9 Razvedupra Red Army (1936-1937), Chief vrid 9 departments ( 1937-1939), Chief of General Staff of Red Army special assignments / Razvedupra Red Army General Staff (1939-1941), head of the intelligence / razvedupra Far Eastern Front / Region (1941-1947). Maj. Gen. (1944). Head of the Training Division of the Military-Diplomatic Academy (1947-1950). He graduated from the General Staff Military Academy (1952), Deputy Head of Department of the Air Force Academy. Since 1958, the first in retirement. Order of Lenin, two Orders of Red Banner, etc.

[Vatjan]

Another great addition to your collection Bob.

And another reminder to get my booklets off the shelf and get the research going.

Jan