PAUSANIAS Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 During many years they was sleeping in a box, but I have a serious doubt about the originality. Anyone can Help me?. Sorry for my english. The first, It looks like a Floch? And now the second. I think it´s a copy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The first one is a fake made by Floch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUSANIAS Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 The first one is a fake made by Floch. Thanks Dond. And the second? The place of the mark it´s strange, like the bronze colour..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The second one is not an L/17 as the chest feathers are wrong, plus the stamp is generally located under the clasp. I then thought it was a P&L because of the pin and catch but it doesn't match either. It is doubtful that this is a real spange. I have every known EKI spange in my collection except for Juncker. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 It is a fake, had to check to make sure. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostprussenmann_new Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Can someone explain what a "Floch" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Floch was/is a maker who made several combat awards after the war. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 No, not accurate. Johannes Floch is a private individual, still alive and well, who bought fake (postwar-made) German medals in his native Germany and resold them as souvenirs in America as a teen in the 1960s. He never made any fakes of any sort, and his name was never the name of a maker, before or after the war. He has simply had the misfortune of having his personal name associated with some good fakes. No one in the collecting community knows to this day who actually made the fakes he sold in the 1960s. Many are marked L/21, 15 or L/15, but none of these makers made "Floch fakes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Trevor, Interesting information. I had always assumed that Floch was the faker--I mean maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Sorry Trevor, my mistake, I always thought he made the items he sold after the war. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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