Ribbon bar with China ribbon

[Paul C]

One of several items from the SOS. This was on a Bayern pre-1914 Hauptmann's tunic. It does not go with the tunic. It is a 9 place bar to a Navy officer. The ribbons are 1914 EK2, Hindenburg, Red Eagle Order, Prussian Crown Order, Prussian 25 year long service, China campaign with "Tientsin" clasp, 1916 King Ludwig and Bayern Price Regent Leopold ribbon. Per the "Master" the bar is for Navy officers, if I remember correctly a Korvettkaptian, for the reason that the Tientsin clasp was only given to Navy men who serve on ship at the port of Tientsin. Also due to the Red Eagle and Crown order probable Korvettkaptian. The guy was probable a native of Bayern because of the two Bayern awards. The back is very interesting in that the pin does not go the full width and probable the EK and Hindenburg were late add ons. Stay tune for an ID aS working on it.

[Bob Hunter]

Handsome bar. Love the campaign clasp!

[Deruelle]

Why Bavarian officer ? Like we don't find MVO4b or MVO4a. Ok, there is Jubilee medal.But it is interresting to note that no war Bavarian medals are hereon the bar. It's strange. I can't really see the back, blue or not blue ? I'm waiting the answer of the "Master".

Christophe

PS : the bar is great Paul, very nice indeed

[Stogieman]

Ummmm, Christophe.... Pretty sure that's a Bavarian Ludwig Cross in front of the Jubilee Medal... That would be his only Bavarian WW1 "war" decoration. Mounting seems to be a serious "pure Prussian" precedence.

[Deruelle]

Thanks for the info Rick

Christophe

[Stogieman]

Il n'est rien, mon ami! Le ruban est fan?, n'est-ce pas?

Mais je pense que vous avez raison, il n'est pas un bavarois!

[HeikoGrusdat]

I would be with you... it is a pure prussian mounting, and of course - merci bien pour la lecon francais never heard again since school...

Paul, great bar!!! Please let me know if you don`t need it anymore some day....

[Guest Rick Research]

It can only be naval because of the "Tientsin" bar-- the army had not arrived yet.

The difficulty is that "Tientsin" is a bar that many odd detached personnel received, trying to hold a "beachhead," as it were, for the first abortive (Seymour Expedition) relief of Peking. So there is not any way to tell simply by ship, who was actually there IN the city under siege and who was not.

We know he was a bavarian citizen from the Luitpold 1911-12 jubilee medal, which Bavarian subjects in the navy and imperial land forces who were NOT eligible for the 1905 version, received. Unfortunately, the navy did not show this jubilee medal or all our lives would be simpler.

I don't turn up anybody in the zur Sees, and suspect he was one of several naval engineers (could be a Crown 3 or Crown 4 with REO4)--

but, again the Ludwig Cross was not shown in rank Lists EITHER.

The "combatant" Iron Cross (which may indeed be a "black white ribbon" noncombatant since there are no Xs on the Hindenburg ribbon) and "rear area" Ludwig suggest someone on the home front, away from actual combat.

[saschaw]

Hmm, why are you all that sure this is a Bavarian jubilee medal?

This guy was navy, so why not a Ottoman award (with this ribbon, I think Lyakat medal) ?!?

[Guest Rick Research]

That might be, but since he chose to mount his awards in "Reichs" precedence, the lowly Ludwig Cross NEXT to it suggests a 1911 Jubilee. There is still no way to "find" him with this combination of invisible awards.