Chris Boonzaier Posted May 24, 2014 Posted May 24, 2014 Apparently from this same officer.... it seems to be one piece solid silver!? Sadly the guy who had them thought they looked better cleaned.....
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 25, 2014 Author Posted May 25, 2014 Sorry, meant THIS officer... http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/62620-4-star-battle-damaged-ek1/
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 25, 2014 Author Posted May 25, 2014 OK, my thoughts on this... it is an unusual piece, and as such will raise questions right off the bat. I dont have a 100% pedigree, although the source is IMHO believable... but that and $8 will get you a cup of coffee. The piece is of very high quality, with the exception of the repair. It is possible that it has been repainted, but I am not sure, so I dont want to mess with it. On the places where the paint has flaked I THINK I see that under the surface it is rough, so the paint can grip I suppose. I suppose the "Why make a silver cross" is a legitimate question... but "why not?" is also legitimate... after all, we have enamle ones as well... 2 Thoughts cross my mind... Mabe some guys would have liked a pure silver cross? It represents a certain value... secondly... it is way easier for the maker... one stamping, then add the hook and needle... paint it, then finished..... as opposed to stamping rims, making core, having the core and rims soldered, then adding the furniture.... I would welcom any opinions and thoughts on this and will try for better photos tonight..
dond Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 I have seen one piece nickel silver crosses so why not 800 silver as well. I'm sure if you had the money you could buy what you wanted as long as you were authorized. At least he didn't have to worry about it rusting.
Jock Auld Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 Chris, If it were common practise why are there not more to see? Does not a one piece item represent economy of effort and saving of time and money so why silver? If a customer wanted an all silver cross it would be easier to strike the iron core in silver than create a whole new die if you were already making crosses? Are the nickle versions the same strike as this and how common are one piece crosses from WW1? That is not to say some silver smith went out on a limb and didn't do as many as he thought as they slid into second place? Jock
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 25, 2014 Author Posted May 25, 2014 Chris, If it were common practise why are there not more to see? That is not to say some silver smith went out on a limb and didn't do as many as he thought as they slid into second place? Jock Hi, some of the Commercially made KMST pieces have only one or two known examples out there.
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 25, 2014 Author Posted May 25, 2014 Chris, Does not a one piece item represent economy of effort and saving of time and money so why silver? Jock Quite possibly a maker/Jewller who entered the game without the machinery to make a 3 piece cross? It is not the easiest piece to make...
dond Posted May 25, 2014 Posted May 25, 2014 Here is my Schickle/Deumer one piece from the inter war years.
gregM Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 I agree with Don. The cross looks like a Schickle. IMO it's a known cross style with upgraded materials being used. If indeed it is actually made of silver.
Streptile Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 I've seen one one-piece screwback and one one-piece EK2 offered marked 800. Both were exactly this same type, which is indeed made by Otto Schickle. I never held either of the two pieces I saw before, but I was always just a bit skeptical that they were really silver. However, now I've seen one screwback EK1, one EK2, and one pinback EK1, and they're all exactly the same type... so it's seeming a bit more likely that they're all good. I would love to see the results of a silver test on this piece. Why not send it to Don so he can use his magic machine on it?
Chris Boonzaier Posted May 26, 2014 Author Posted May 26, 2014 I will see about getting a silver test done when I get into town. It does indeed seem to be like Dons, including the angle of the top of the middle part of the "w" Best Chrus
dond Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 Here is a solid silver wound badge. Some people had to have something better. JMHO.
gregM Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 Here is a solid silver wound badge. Some people had to have something better. JMHO. SWEET
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 20, 2014 Author Posted June 20, 2014 I agree with Don. The cross looks like a Schickle. IMO it's a known cross style with upgraded materials being used. If indeed it is actually made of silver. Just back from the Jewellers... it is indeed solid silver, other than the furniture at the back. Best Chris
gregM Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Wow, Chris. that makes for one very rare variant. Congratulations. Could you tell me how heavy it is? I would think it would feel considerably heavier that a standard Ek. Thanks, Greg
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 23, 2014 Author Posted June 23, 2014 Hi, will see if I can find a scale. Can anyone give a rough guestimate what it could bring if I was to move it? Best Chris
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