W McSwiggan Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Hi all ? questions, questions, questions ? that?s what I do!First ? if you need frustration in your life ? try to get this book! I?ve made 6 attempts thru Abebooks and every listing was a bust! Several took their sweet time before returning ?Don?t Have? message. One confirmed availability then changed their minds and one is still showing available after returning a direct message to me that they didn?t.There is only one left claiming to have the volume but at a whopping 30% higher than the others previously listed.The listings make it unclear if this is a new edition of the English language tome or simply imprecise listing and a big mark-up.IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY, 1914-1918 (ISBN: 1874622701) HERRMAN CRON, DUNCAN ROGERS Price: US$ 62.14 [Convert Currency] Shipping within United Kingdom:US$ 4.14 IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY 1914-18: ORGANISATION, STRUCTURE, ORDERS-OF-BATTLE Cron, H. Price: US$ 80.01 Questions are ? is this worth doing considering the price AND are these both the same?Thanks in advance for any insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I dont know if its the same.... but a Cron is a MUST HAVE for anyone interested in Imperial German.For the info in it, the price is totally justified. Even better if hard cover of course......Hi all ? questions, questions, questions ? that?s what I do!First ? if you need frustration in your life ? try to get this book! I?ve made 6 attempts thru Abebooks and every listing was a bust! Several took their sweet time before returning ?Don?t Have? message. One confirmed availability then changed their minds and one is still showing available after returning a direct message to me that they didn?t.There is only one left claiming to have the volume but at a whopping 30% higher than the others previously listed.The listings make it unclear if this is a new edition of the English language tome or simply imprecise listing and a big mark-up.IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY, 1914-1918 (ISBN: 1874622701) HERRMAN CRON, DUNCAN ROGERS Price: US$ 62.14 [Convert Currency] Shipping within United Kingdom:US$ 4.14 IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY 1914-18: ORGANISATION, STRUCTURE, ORDERS-OF-BATTLE Cron, H. Price: US$ 80.01 Questions are ? is this worth doing considering the price AND are these both the same?Thanks in advance for any insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 What may be worrying is how good the translation is.If you can, a German copy may be the way to go as it is chock-a-block full of important terms. I have not seen the English translation, but there are many, many things that must have been very difficult to translate.... I hope the translater got it "Right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Ah, but he has theCurse Of Cronand cannot get it anywhere, from anybody, evn those claiming to have it in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 May the Cron be with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Thanks for a great & fast reply Chris!I'm taking a chance on the outside hope that this seller will have it! Normally Abebooks is great but this one has been rough.I agree with your language assessment but will use the German language fall back in the event of another "miss".Besides - if a real translator goofs it up - I don't have a chance!If you would please indulge me one more time - am I safe in assuming that having Cron would render buying Nash's Imperial German Army Handbook 1914-1918 unnecessary?Thanks again,Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Ah, but he has theCurse Of Cronand cannot get it anywhere, from anybody, evn those claiming to have it in stock. I think they named a disease after this problem - actually - that's not funny - I know an individual afflicted with it and it is miserable. That said - trying to get this book has caused Rick to listen to huge amounts of whining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I dont have the Nash book, but Cron is essential for, amongst other things, the condensed evolutions of the branches of service.i.e., how the compositions of the units changed during the war, how things were formed, altered, replaced, fell away.The German is essential because in many cases, if you have an English translation and original German docs... you may not be able to figure out what he is talking about.Try translating "Fernsprechdoppelzug". If you have an EK doc with that on, you may have a hard time figuring out it is the "Telephone combination section" in the English translation.Maybe an English AND German copy used in tandem is the answer..... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 i.e., how the compositions of the units changed during the war, how things were formed, altered, replaced, fell away.There is not a wasted word or line in Cron. Condensed and as dry as the perfect fart. by no means an easy bedtime read. David introduced me to it, and it was "WoW!!!!" an eye opener on many levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David S Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) The 2002 english language version by Helion and Company is ISBN: 1874622701. Translated by C.F. Colton, MA. No mention of Duncan Rogers though.If you have patience they come up on Ebay once in a while. Got mine for around $30.00 Edited March 13, 2006 by David S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Wayne,the Nash book is basically a reprint of a period British Army intelligence manual. It deals in general terms with recruiting, officer & NCO selection/training, the various branches including medical and veterinary services, some details on ordnance and uniforms. It does not contain order of battle material other than an overview of the peacetime corps areas.It is not without errors and although interesting it is not indispensible and I would recommend Cron. I have the German language edition which as Chris alludes to is rather dry stuff but very useful.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hi, The best thing for you is to read the Cron in german. If you can read french, I can give you some books about the subject.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hi Christophe,Thank you for your offer but French is not one of my languages. I do have some proficiency in German and that would be my best bet per all of the advice given.I have made one last attempt and it is too late to cancel the order. If I am unlucky again - I will give a shot at the German language edition.Thanks again,WayneHi, The best thing for you is to read the Cron in german. If you can read french, I can give you some books about the subject.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Glenn,I appreciate the insight.I was looking for a comparison between Cron & Nash to see if they are nominally equivalent.Your response and that of Christophe & Chris B all make it evident that they are not at all equal. I shall continue to try to get Cron confident that it is a quality reference.Thanks,WayneWayne,the Nash book is basically a reprint of a period British Army intelligence manual. It deals in general terms with recruiting, officer & NCO selection/training, the various branches including medical and veterinary services, some details on ordnance and uniforms. It does not contain order of battle material other than an overview of the peacetime corps areas.It is not without errors and although interesting it is not indispensible and I would recommend Cron. I have the German language edition which as Chris alludes to is rather dry stuff but very useful.RegardsGlenn Edited March 15, 2006 by W McSwiggan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Nafzigers ' press brought out a soft cover book last year that summarizes Cron well- and adds all sorts of odd tidbits. The English is stilted, but it's worth the money.Cron was available from the History Bookseller only a few months ago for @ $35. US.n Edited March 14, 2006 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 Great lead & thanks - will be my next stop if present attempt fails.Nafzigers ' press brought out a soft cover book last year that summarizes Cron well- and adds all sorts of odd tidbits. The English is stilted, but it's worth the money.Cron was available from the History Bookseller only a few months ago for @ $35. US.n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W McSwiggan Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 Need a new favorite whine now.Wouldn?t you know ? after ordering (in forlorn hope) one last try ? Cron in English ? you guys convinced me to seek the German language edition. Naturally ? the last try worked and I am the proud owner of the English edition. I?m delighted ? I think. Whoever said this was dry is a master of understatement! Can?t wait to tell Mom that I?ve finally bought a book completely devoid of pictures. Not even a diagram! I?m becoming an intellectual methinks! This will take a while to digest before I can make any definitive statements but the translation seems pretty well done so far.Thanks again for all your advice and encouragement on this one ? clearly a valuable reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The Curse of Cron is lifted!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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