Numbers on the lids of Police LSGC boxes.....

[The Station Cat]

Can anyone tell me whether the number of the box lid of a Police LSGC equates to anything? Is it possible to ascertain from this number any information as to where the officer was stationed or does the number just equate to a particular force? 

[Robin Lumsden]

Mine had no number when issued.

[QSAMIKE]

You did not say how big the number is.....

It could be his warrant number or the number corresponding to his name from a list that was used by the organization that named it especially if they had a number of them to name at the same time.....

M....

 

[The Station Cat]

This is the numbering I mean...............

[QSAMIKE]

Good Morning Cat......

Seeing the number and label I am 90% sure it is just a number from a list used by the engraver..... Or issuing authority.....

Mike

 

 

[Robin Lumsden]

I thought that by 'box lid' you meant the lid of the regular Police LSGC case, as shown in the first photo below.

Looks like the one you have is a Special Constabulary Medal box ....................... as shown in the second photo.

As you probably know, 'Specials' are a bit different from regular cops !! 

So are their medals ....................... and the qualification criteria !!

The number '16' will be the recipient's Gwynedd Special Constabulary warrant number.

Probably dates from the 1940s.

Hope this helps.

 

Edited July 23, 2016 by Robin Lumsden

[Dave Wilkinson]

I think I'm right in saying that the cardboard box was also used (with typed label) for the "regulars" medal before the introduction of the "posh" case. So, I'm not convinced that the "Gwynedd" box would have contained an SC medal. As to what the numbers are I've no idea. As an aside, the Gwynedd Constabulary was formed in October 1950, so the box can only "date" post that period.

Dave.

 

Edited July 24, 2016 by Dave Wilkinson

[The Station Cat]

Robin/Dave, thanks for your replies to my thread. I can confirm that the box does relate to a regular officer.

I'm assuming that PC HUGHES must have joined in the late 1930's, in order to qualify for his LSGC between 1950 and 1952, Gwynedd Constabulary wasn't formed until 1950 and E11R became Queen in 1953.

[Dave Wilkinson]

On 30th September 1950, there were five (5) Constables serving in the Caernarvonshire Constabulary named HUGHES:-

John Stanley HUGHES

John Emlyn HUGHES

John Thomas HUGHES

J. HUGHES (no first name given).

J. R. HUGHES (no first name given).

On the same date the Anglesey Constabulary has one Constable serving with that name:-

John HUGHES. He joined Anglesey on 11th March 1939 as Constable 35 at the age of 19 yrs.

He served in the Armed forces 3.9.42 until 17.11.45. At the time of the amalgamation he was serving as a Detective Constable.

I have no final nominal roll for Merioneth. That said, there is a final force photo which is "named" and which may provide a clue. I will make an enquiry and come back to you.   

Dave.

PS. For clarification, I should explain that Caernarvonshire, Anglesey and Merioneth Constabularies were the forces who were amalgamated to form the original Gwynedd Constabulary on 1st October 1950. 

Just checked the final force photo for Merioneth. Only one Constable named HUGHES. First name began with "E".

Dave.

Edited July 24, 2016 by Dave Wilkinson

[The Station Cat]

Thanks Dave, judging by the fact that he appears to have only had a Defence Medal for his WW2 service. I would assume that he's not the Anglesey one, couple this with the fact that if he joined up in 1939, E11R would have been the effigy on his LSGC. As all the Caernarfonshire appear to have middle names, which doesn't appear on his medal, I would assume that he must be the J HUGHES (no first name given)?  

[Dave Wilkinson]

Yes, I think your deduction is probably correct. At least you have a good indication that he was a Caernarvonshire man. Shame the name is not a more unusual one.

Dave.

[The Station Cat]

This is interesting as it doesn't have a number on the lid? 

[bigjarofwasps]

Nice that the "gap" in the information about J HUGHES can be beyond reasonable doubt ascertained as this chap. I would further offer that I have the entire nominal roll for Caernarfon Constabulary in September 1950. J HUGHES appears in the list of names under Supt O G EAMES and Insps I EVANS & Ll ROBERTS (assume this to be Llewelyn). If any of these senior Officers can be narrowed down to a particular area or even station this will give us an idea as to which station John HUGHES was based at.............?