Stuka f Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 I know the periode ain't right, but they look nice together!
Alex K Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 Yes nice example one's on my list to add to my growing Crown order collection! Alex
Alex K Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Hi Paul, the ribbon in my opinion is original, it's sewn on the reverse in such a way which doesn't allow me to remove and straighten it if I wanted to, so it stays like that, adds character I suppose, I have an EK2 1870 ,(Been there look) with a tatty ribbon, I tried it with a newer ribbon and it didn't quite look right so it sits with it's original tatty one again, replace? sometimes yes, sometimes no (Apologies to Stuka f don't mean to hijack your thread)
Carol I Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 On 29/09/2016 at 15:34, Stuka f said: I know the periode ain't right, but they look nice together! Nice copy, indeed. Congratulations!
paul wood Posted October 4, 2016 Posted October 4, 2016 Alex, Never replace original ribbons unless they have completely disintegrated. even in that case Keep the original ribbon in an envelope with the re-ribboned piece. I have seen beautiful groups with faded but lovely original ribbons and the owner has removed them and thrown them away and re-ribboned them with gaudy brand new ribbon. There is a particularly unpleasant corner in Hell for people who do that. Paul
Stuka f Posted October 4, 2016 Author Posted October 4, 2016 7 hours ago, paul wood said: There is a particularly unpleasant corner in Hell for people who do that. I am good in that case! I got myself a replamcement ribbon, but never used it, it is just laying next to the original fragile one. And the Commemorative Medal of the 1914–1917 African Campaigns is displayed without a ribbon.
paul wood Posted October 5, 2016 Posted October 5, 2016 Kris, Well done for keeping the original ribbon for the 1914-17 medal, you are one of the good guys. Paul
Alex K Posted October 5, 2016 Posted October 5, 2016 Hi Paul, I don't throw old ribbons away, there is a thread in the Preservation/conservation thread where I actually state that is exactly what I do, carefully store and label tatty ribbons for future reference or if I sell the item, the original ribbon goes with the medal also, so the buyer has the choice, attached a few medals with original ribbons if there when I obtained the piece and their condition. (One Sava came without any ribbon) regards Alex
Alex K Posted October 5, 2016 Posted October 5, 2016 Hi Paul Alex Hi Kris, nice looking Hungarian Order of Merit breast badge, any chance of a close up front and reverse? regards Alex
Stuka f Posted October 6, 2016 Author Posted October 6, 2016 Hey Alex, love your medals too! I think I posted the breast badge here, I'll try to find it. It is dammaged !... Here it is.
Alex K Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Hi Kris, thanks for the link, a real shame about the damage, it looks like a really nice piece, and for 25 euros, a bargain, I asked so as to compare with mine, I assume yours has no markings to identify any possible makers, mine doesn't, is it highly vaulted? (The ribbons, to the best of my knowledge are original!) regards Alex Edited October 6, 2016 by Alex K
pieter1012 Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 Hi Alex, nice samples of the Hugarian Order of Merit. You may know that when this order was established in 1922, it was originally called Hungarian Cross of Merit. In 1935 the name was changed into Hungarian Order of Merit and then also some subtle changes were made in the design.The green enamelled wreath of the Cross of Merit is a little more detailed three dimensional and the three mountains under the crown and double cross have a pebbled finish. The mountains of the Order after 1935 have fine diagonal lines. On the Cross of Merit the central red enamel disk is more convex, and has either a plain or pebbled finish under the green enamel that runs along the edges of the cross. With the Order of Merit under the green enamel a laddered design can be seen. The reverse remained the same for both versions. I have this information from an excellent article by Peter Czink on the history of the Hungarian Cross and Order of Merit, published in November 1999 in the Magyar Front. regards,Pieter
Stuka f Posted October 6, 2016 Author Posted October 6, 2016 quote I assume yours has no markings to identify any possible makers end quote Where can a makers mark be found? I'll try to make a pic to show the vault.
pieter1012 Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 Alex and Stuka, I don't think there are any maker's marks on the pieces. Peter Czink doesn't mention any manufacturers of either the Cross or Order of Merit, and as far as I know the cases have also no maker's mark inside the lid. I have a set of the Cross of Merit, in case, and without any marks. Pieter
Alex K Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Hi Pieter thanks, useful information about the 1935 changes, so makers remain a mystery, would they likely be Hungarian made or like many others, sourced from Austria, France etc? Alex Edited October 6, 2016 by Alex K
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