Generalleutnant Eduard Freiherr von Neukirchen gen. Nyvenheim

[Nicolas7507]

Hello,

Has anyone a bio and his war awards?

I only know:

Born:1857

Died:1918

Commander of 19. Feldartillerie Brigade 1909-1913

Thank you very much

Nicolas

[GreyC]

Hi,

as you posted your question on at least one other forum, you know about his file at the archive in Berlin already. He was born in Berent, West-Prussia, on 11.11.1857.

GreyC

[Nicolas7507]

Hi,

Thanks for the additional Information.

I know about this file but have no clue how to open it or what to do with it.

Nicolas

[GreyC]

Hi,

you can´t open it online. It´s just to let you know that it exists in the said archive. What it is is his pensions payments to his widow. You will find his exact date of death and probably his career stations within the Prussian army in it, if you decide to access the file in person or have it accessed by somebody else.

GreyC

Edited February 3, 2017 by GreyC

[Nicolas7507]

I understand.

Do you know if he has an entry in the Biblio Generals Series?

[GreyC]

No I don´t. Doubt it though. If I remember correctly they start with the regular Reichswehr in 1920.

GreyC

[Nicolas7507]

What a pity. Thanks for your help GreyC.

It should be in Christian Zwengs Preußische Generäle Band 11 Mu-Pe

Edited February 3, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[GreyC]

Hi all!

After research on the net proved unsatisfactory, I took some time to do research in the "real world".

This is what I came up with:

 

Eduard Freiherr v. Neukirchen gen. v. Nyvenheim

*01.11.1857 in Berent, Westpreußen

†21.06.1918 Eisenach (Thuringa)

Father: Gustav, Freiherr v. N. †1878 Oberstlt. z.D.

Mother: Marie Braune † 1900

Schools: Gymnasium Düsseldorf, then Kadetten-Korps.

married 22.11.1899 mit Klara v. d. Mosel *10.05.1869

Children: Hilde, Ilse, Gustav (*1903), Gertrud

Military career:

15.4.1875 as Leutnant in Feld-Artillerie-Regiment 7 (FAR 7); 1886 Oberleutnant; 1887 Adjutant of 4. FAR Brigade, 1890 Hauptmann a la suite of FAR 5; 1890 Batterie Chef in 2. Garde Feld-Artillerie-Regiment; 1898 Major and Abteilungs Kommandeur, 1899 Major and Abt. Kdr. in 4. Garde FAR, 1904 Kommandeur of this regiment; 1905 Oberstleutnant; 11.09. 1907 Oberst, 1911 GenMajor. Stems from arch-aristocratic family from lower Rhein area. 20.04.1909-18.10.1913 Kommandeur 19 Art. Brigade.

Unfortunately I have no infos on his service record from 1914-18.

 

Nevertheless hope to have helped you a little.

GreyC

Edited February 4, 2017 by GreyC

[Nicolas7507]

GreyC. WOW. You are incredible I can't thank you enough.......

Regards,

Nicolas

PS: This is his ribbon bar:

[GreyC]

Pleasure!

Sources : "Wer ist wer" Ausgaben 1914 und 1922.

GreyC

During the war Artillerie Kommandeur 128.

Source: Ehrenrangliste 1914-18 (1926)

From 6.02.1917 - ? : was under command of 1. Landwehr-Division.

Source: Arko 128 at Genwiki

GreyC

Edited February 4, 2017 by GreyC

[Dave Danner]

The ribbon bar does not match. Neukirchen gen. v. Nyvenheim had both the Red Eagle and the Crown Order around the neck, not on the ribbon bar. As Rick L used to note, one of the big clues for general's ribbon bars was the absence of certain ribbons because they had been "bumped up" to neck or sash awards.  

Also, Neukirchen gen. v. Nyvenheim had the 1897 Erinnerungsmedaille an den Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst from Lippe-Detmold.  

Your ribbon bar is more likely an Oberstleutnant or Major with the RAO4 and KO3.

[Nicolas7507]

I looked through the whole ranklist

Maybe he got OV3b?

Thanks for your clarification, Dave

 

Regards,

Nicolas

[Dave Danner]

Your guy could have retired before the war, in 1913 for example, and been recalled. 

[GreyC]

That is what I have, Dave.

He is listed in the Ehrenrangliste as having been inactive in 1914.

First mention for activitiy in the war 1916 as artillery commander in "Formationsgeschichte und Stellenbesetzung der deutschen Streitkräfte 1815-1991". There as Kdr. Arko 128. HOWEVER: The ARKO 128 (as all ARKOs of the first wave) was instituted officially not until 17.02.1917, the date that Neukirchen was replaced by GL Karl Ludwig Gustav Hellwig. So there´s a discrepancy there that I stumbled on. My guess is that v. Neukirchen was Kdr. of the predecessor of ARKO 128, the FAR 96, helped establish the new organisational form and then left. ARKO 128 was part of he 1. Landwehrdivision, by the way.

GreyC

[Dave Danner]

I have one possibility for the ribbon bar:

August v. Geyso (1.3.1861-24.2.1935); in 1914 an Oberst and Kdr. Gren.Regt. Nr. 10.  Ended the war as a Generalleutnant.  From Wegman, we have the following commands: 

• 5.3.13-7.11.14 Kdr. GR 10
• 4.4.15 Fhr. 21.IB
• 6.6.17-8.10.17 Kdr. 50.RIB
• 8.10.17-14.12.17 Kdr. 28.RD
• 20.4.18 Kdr. stellv.78.IB

In the 1914 rank list, he has: RAO4, KO3, DA, HEK2b, OV3a, HSH2b, JZ3, ÖEK3, TM2.  The HEK2b, HSH2b, JZ3 and TM2 are all neck orders, so that leaves the RAO4, KO3, DA, OV3a, ÖEK3 and the Centenary (not listed in rank lists) for his ribbon bar.  He certainly received the Iron Cross.  His only other known wartime awards are swords to his HSH2b and the Austro-Hungarian Military Merit Cross 2nd Class with War Decoration, which was also a neck order.

So the ribbon bar matches, unless he received some other wartime awards we do not know about.  It is odd that someone with that many commands did not receive a Crown Order 2nd Class with Swords, but maybe he wasn't a very good commander.  He apparently was not with the 28.RD long enough to get a Baden award.

So he is that odd general who did not get his Red Eagle and/or Crown Orders bumped up to the neck.

 

Edited February 9, 2017 by Dave Danner

[Nicolas7507]

Hi Dave ,

Thank you very very much for your research

Excellent Work!

Best regards,

Nicolas

PS: It would have been interesting to know if he got the same bar with the hindenburg cross .

Edited February 9, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[Nicolas7507]

Sorry but I dont know these HSH2b, JZ3

 

Edited February 9, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[dedehansen]

31 minutes ago, Nicolas7507 said:

Sorry but I dont know these HSH2b, JZ3

 

Hi Nicolas,

HSH2b, Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden Komturkreuz 2. Klasse

JZ3, Japan Orden des heiligen Schatzes Komturkreuz

Kind regards
Andreas

[Nicolas7507]

Thanks Andreas!

and TM2?

Sorry in my Marine Ranklist these awards aren't shown

Regards,

Nicolas

 

Edited February 9, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[Dave Danner]

7 hours ago, Nicolas7507 said:

Thanks Andreas!

and TM2?

Sorry in my Marine Ranklist these awards aren't shown

Regards,

Nicolas

 

Turkish Order of Medjidie 2nd Class

 

 

[Nicolas7507]

Thanks. 

[Nicolas7507]

I found 3 pictures of him. One with his medal bar  But there is one unknown decoration to make it a perfect match.

It looks like a Hohenzollern with the Peace Ribbon?

It can't be him.... or did he got an upgrade to neck order?

Best regards,

Nicolas

 

Edited March 31, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[Nicolas7507]

If von Geyso did not get the HEK2a it cant be our man, because the HEK2b is NOT a Neck Order and can be seen on the 3rd Picture I posted

Best Regards,

Nicolas

Edited July 2, 2017 by Nicolas7507

[Dave Danner]

The order in the photo is indeed the HEK2b. I mis-wrote above that this was a neck order, but as you note, the HEK2a was a neck order. So the ribbon bar is not a match, unless he got an upgrade of his HEK2b to a 2a, removing it from the ribbon bar. I have no information one way or another, especially since that award continued (continues?) to be awarded after the war.

[Nicolas7507]

Hi Dave,

Indeed, we don't know who the owner is for now.

Anyway, I thank you for all the research you have done for me. It is greatly appreciated.

All the best,

Nicolas