Alex K Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hi all, a quick question if I may, I recently came across this image of Admiral Inoue Yoshika, my question is he seems to be holding something which appears to resemble a duck (I suspect it isn't)in his right hand, exactly what is it, my knowledge of Imperial Japanese regalia is limited but I'm willing to learn, any help appreciated regards Alex K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) In Japan the pheasant is a divine messenger for Amaterasu, the great sun goddess. Amaterasu is a focal point of the Shinto pantheon. She is the ruler of the heavens, so her association with the pheasant made this creature an important symbol of power, abundance and promise. Me thinks so. Edited February 24, 2017 by Egorka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hi very interesting! and thanks for the response, so I assume that it was a specific part of Japanese symbolism. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Mind you that "pheasant" would look good in my bath tub especially if it were yellow. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I know of 3 symbolic birds in Japanese culture: a crane, a pheasant, a crow. It is definitely not a crane. I hope not! Cranes look much different. Could be a three-legged crow (Yatagarasu). But here the most important attribute - three legs - is nowhere in sight. So I go with duck-looking pheasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hi Gentlemen, bath duck it is then on a serious note, would it be equivalent to a Field Marshal's baton type of thing or did he just like walking round with a duck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Well, the list expands. This is not a ducky-pheasant. It is a dove! Unlike European culture, a dove in Japanese traditional culture is a symbol of war, not peace. A dove (hato) is symbolic animal and messenger of Hachiman - the the syncretic divinity of archery and war and the divine protector of Japan, the Japanese people and the Imperial House, the Minamoto clan ("Genji") and most samurai worshipped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted February 25, 2017 Author Share Posted February 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Egorka said: Well, the list expands. This is not a ducky-pheasant. It is a dove! Unlike European culture, a dove in Japanese traditional culture is a symbol of war, not peace. A dove (hato) is symbolic animal and messenger of Hachiman - the the syncretic divinity of archery and war and the divine protector of Japan, the Japanese people and the Imperial House, the Minamoto clan ("Genji") and most samurai worshipped him. And I thought I'd asked a simple question!!, still, getting more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieter1012 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 hi Alex, just saw your thread on the cane admiral Inoue is holding. Egorka is right, it is a dove. This cane with silver dove (hato tsue) was a special Imperial Court distinction, personally bestowed by the Japanese emperor. Perhaps something comparable to the golden key Chamberlains wear on the back of their uniform at European Courts. It was seldom bestowed and unfortunately I have not been able to find out the exact reasons for bestowel. On of the most famous recipients was admiral Togo, and he is often seen in pictures holding it. This distiction was not limited to the army or navy, also civilians could receive it. Although i have never seen a picture of a fieldmarshall holding it. Prime minister Takahashi Korekyo was, after retirement, one of the cilvilan recipients (see picture). The well known Japanese medal collector Nakabori describes this hato tsue in one of his order and medal books, but does not mention the reason for bestowal, or the number given. I have enclosed i picture from this book. Hope this information is of some use, Pieter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Exellent info, Pieter! Hope you are well. Regards, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieter1012 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Hi Nick, thanks for your comment. The text says a.o. that this cane is reserved for distinguished persons of over 80 years old and that the wooden part is made of the mulberry tree, which, according to Japanese belief, protects against cripling in old people. We me everything is well, only unfortunately too little time to spend on our common hobby, because of grandchildren demanding attention. Best regards, Pieter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 hi all just another bit of info regarding the hato no tsue its a traditional gift for those over 80 in japan the presentation was first practiced in ancient china and later in japanese courts its seen as an appropriate gift as the characters that make up the word hato(pigeon) can also mean 80 it is also said that pigeons do not choke a serious problem for elderly japanese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Hi all, thanks for the additional information, didn't realise from the photo I posted that it was a full "Staff" (stick), from the photo it looks white but I assume it would have been silver in reality. regards edit, makes a bit more sense now, with this picture although he's actually holding it by the head unfortunately Edited March 4, 2017 by Alex K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 modern version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 Nice thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) On 04.03.2017 at 09:38, mickey said: modern version Yea, right. For tea ceremony Edited March 5, 2017 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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