Solomon Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Hi gents, before I have to sell it, I just want to share with you an ultra-rare order, which you can hardly find on the market. It´s the Lippe-Detmold Leopoldorden cross with crown 1st model This order was awarded only 6 times between 1908 and 1910. In 1910 prince Leopold IV. decided to change the design into an enameled version with blue cross-arms. This version is a silver cross and the background of the enameled rose in the center is gold. Unfortunately there are some copies on the market...so just be aware Best regards Roman Edited March 31, 2017 by Solomon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Thanks for showing us this genuine and extremely rare Leopoldorden. Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 A good looking 1st Class! Thanks for showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Very rare and very beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Draconis Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Remarkable item!! What would be the price of this beauty? Best regards Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Was this a royalty merit award? What were the criteria for its award? I've never seen this one before. Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 @ Joseph As a Lippe-Detmold collector, I have to answer "priceless", of course. There are so many (expensive) fakes especially of this rare order in the market, that you hardly can define a right pricing. In general I would guess 3,500 - 4,500 USD for a proofen original piece. @ Chris This order was awarded by duke Leopold IV. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, beside the usual house-order. It was never awarded with swords and the criteria were (according to the statues) extraordinary merits related to the prince and his family or to the principality Lippe-Detmold itself. By the way...I forgot to show you his original home :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Can a fake also be made from the 'new design' with the enamel removed or would they differ in more ways than just the enamel? /Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Draconis Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thank you Roman for your answer, and thank you even more for showing us the case of this order, which is presumingly even rarer than the order itself!? Roman, how can we tell the original from a copy? Is there difference other than gold centre? Maybe in weight or something else? Michael, if I unerstood you correctly, I believe you can't make an old version by removing enamel from new version. The back of the new design is flat and smooth, and back of the old one is bumpy Nice topic of a such a rare order! Best regards Alpha D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 @ Alpha D. Very difficult to answer. Apparently there are many more fakes on the market, than original pieces. I added a scan of the detailed rose (the background is gold) and the letter L. The fakes I know (sold on ebay and at a known trader) differ especially here from the original pieces. A third criteria might be the crown, but this is difficult to fix in a scan. @ Michael The first model without enameled arms were officially only produced by Carl Büsch, Hannover. So all should look more or less the same. But I can confuse you know even more...I also have a 2nd piece here...an original one, but clearly made by Godet, Berlin. It differs especially in the letter L and the crown. Luckily I had access to the archive...Godet delivered in 1910 exactly 10 pieces to the prince, but these ones weren´t awarded anymore, as the prince decided to renew his Leopold order and changed the cross-arms to the blue enameled one. My piece has exactly the same designed letter L between the arms and the same needle-system like the official 2nd model. It might be a unique piece and without this knowledge (delivery etc) I wouldn´t have bought it for sure. BTW, with the switch to the 2nd model, the prince also officially switched from Büsch to Godet. Sorry for the confusion :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Amazing! Thanks for showing /Michael And glad to hear you can't create an old (non-enamel) version by mutilating a new enameled version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Draconis Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Hello Roman Thank you for clear things out!! I have never heard of Godet made order, and this one is even more beautiful than the official one!!! Just love the Godet "L" So, are those 10 Godets also selling for the same price even if they are not bestowed? How many Godets survived if you know? Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 Well, good question...to define a right market-price might be not possible. I assume, that this one might be even the only one, which survived. In general it is a very rare order with very low numbers of awards... even difficult to say, how many Büsch-awards are still around. I´m still missing a picture of a person, who is wearing this 1st model. Regards Roman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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