David S Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 (edited) Nothing spectacular but nonetheless fascinating .Why oh why would this Bavarian put this device on the EK2, clearly he favors his home state by precedence . . . Edited May 12, 2005 by David S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David S Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 Here are some on normal Saxon bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hi David, I never figured this one out. A Bavarian making a Saxon "Fashion Statement!! I combed through my archives and could not come up with another Bavarian bar with the device. But this one was clearly made this way! One of those things we'll probably never figure out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 This is REALLY an exceptionally odd bar that David has found!The only non-Saxon "stray" of this weird little miniature device that I've ever had fall into my paws is shown below, on an ALL minis bar with Oldenburg's Friedrich August Cross and the Turkish War Medal Star.Occasionally non-Saxon single EK 2 ribbons show up with this device-- I have a 1919 photo from a Hamburg area private wearing one, probably in 1919.But 99.9% of these seem to have been some sort of inexplicable Saxon "fashion statement." These were being worn DURING the war, which makes the non-regulation nature of the device all the stranger.Contrary to repeated Bad Dealers assertions, the device does NOT indicate an EK1 worn on the ribbon bar. It is simply a completely unnecessary non-regulation "extra," as period photos show. SOME 1914 EK1 recipients wore it... but as an EK 2 embellishment only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Nothing especially fancy, but certainly possessing of that proverbial "been there" look. --Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Nothing especially fancy, but certainly possessing of that proverbial "been there" look. --ChrisThis one in for an nco i THINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 COMMON BUT I LIKE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Not common at all, Charles! there were only 563 SMKs to Saxon officers, most with some affiliation to IR 133 somehow.I've run through the letters A through G and the short list of suspects on your last bar is:Bla?l, Dr Kuno-- Asssistenzarzt RIR 13Bodsch, Kurt-- Lt dL GrenResRgt 100Brandenstein, Wilhelm-- Lt dL RIR 133Breyer, Fritz-- Lt IR 133Buchner, Hans--Lt dR GrenResRgt 100Conrad, Kurt-- Lt IR 133Cramer von Clausbruch, Henning-- Lt GrenRes Rgt 100D?nitz, Rudimann-- Lt dR RIR 133von Falkenhausen, Hans-Joachim-- Lt GR 100Fischer, Hans-- Oberlt dR RIR 133Garbe, Wilhelm-- Lt dR RIR 133so 11 for 7 letters-- probably about 35 or so possible "suspects" for that bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Not common at all, Charles! there were only 563 SMKs to Saxon officers, most with some affiliation to IR 133 somehow.I've run through the letters A through G and the short list of suspects on your last bar is:Bla?l, Dr Kuno-- Asssistenzarzt RIR 13Bodsch, Kurt-- Lt dL GrenResRgt 100Brandenstein, Wilhelm-- Lt dL RIR 133Breyer, Fritz-- Lt IR 133Buchner, Hans--Lt dR GrenResRgt 100Conrad, Kurt-- Lt IR 133Cramer von Clausbruch, Henning-- Lt GrenRes Rgt 100D?nitz, Rudimann-- Lt dR RIR 133von Falkenhausen, Hans-Joachim-- Lt GR 100Fischer, Hans-- Oberlt dR RIR 133Garbe, Wilhelm-- Lt dR RIR 133so 11 for 7 letters-- probably about 35 or so possible "suspects" for that bar. Oh really! Well then, I wonder if we'll ever be able to narrow it down to one man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 No-- but 3 dozen's better than 50,000! Continuing along, here are all H through M--H?drich, Franz-- Lt dR RIR 133H?rtling, Kurt-- Oberlt dR IR 133Hawraneck, Otto-- Lt dR RIR 133Herbst, Arthur-- Lt dR LIR 133Hinzelmann, Dr. Willy-- Assistenzarzt dR GrenResRgt 100H?cker, Wilhelm-- Lt dR IR 392K?stner, Hans-- Oberlt dR FAR 68K?stner, Kurt-- Oberlt FAR 68K?nig, Kurt-- Lt dR GR 100Meinecke, Richard-- Lt dR RIR 133von Metzsch-Reichenbach, Alexander-- Lt dR GrenResRgt 100if you copy/paste these names and save them (I'm sure I'll be distracted and may forget what's already been done) eventually will have a Total List of suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Here is my small contribution for EK2 devices on Saxony ribbon bars.... not much but still something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) But what about those devices...First one is Malta cross for a ribbon bar. How common it is? And the crown on the black ribbon???? What award it could be? Edited June 9, 2008 by Noor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I remember this ribbon bar I will pm you for more informationChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 But what about those devices...First one is Malta cross for a ribbon bar. How common it is? And the crown on the black ribbon???? What award it could be?Those would be a lot more interesting if the rest of the bars were exposed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Sorry about the delay ccj Generaloberarzt a.D. von Schlacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Sorry about the delay ccj Generaloberarzt a.D. von SchlachtWOW!!!!! That's an awesome bar... Whats the gold ribbon with the crown? Is it a Griffin Order????I'm not familiar with some of the ribbons on this bar. Edited April 25, 2009 by ccj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 :Cat-Scratch: Uhhhhh.... HELLO."Generaloberarzt a.D. von Schlacht" related to "General J?rgen Schmidt" by any chance?You people in some sort of aletrnative universe or something? Prussian army? NopeBavarian army? Nope.Saxon army? Nope.W?rttemberg army? Nope.Imperial navy? Nope.Orders Almanac? Nope.Orders lists? Nope.No such person.Again.Ah.... you want to cite me Nice Things like, uh, Rank List editions and pages for these, uh "identifications?"Obviously, the talented, skilled, and expert folks HERE with enormous period reference libraries able to cite where data comes from if not make actual scans of fragile books aren't as good as unsupported assertions plucked out of thin air someplace else. Frankly, as a very very VERY good researcher, I am getting MORE than COMPLETELY fed up with off the walls utter nonsense obviously "Off-GMIC" so-called "research." Frankly, your"alternative sources of information" SUCK. But hey--if you're HAPPY being tossed names that have no supporting EVIDENCE, by all means keep on returning to the same trough. I've got better things to do with MY time, haven't I? :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Obviously, the talented, skilled, and expert folks HEREThat is suprise to me because I didn't toubt about the name....... that bar came from the gmic forum member . Maybe he knows more and post his sourse here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Cool down......... it is Generaloberarzt a.D. von Schlacht - in 1914 rank list still Stabsarzt Schlacht without the "von" in Infanterie Regiment von Alvensleben (6.Brandenburgisches) Nr.52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Cool down......... it is Generaloberarzt a.D. von Schlacht - in 1914 rank list still Stabsarzt Schlacht without the "von" in Infanterie Regiment von Alvensleben (6.Brandenburgisches) Nr.52Can someone go over all the awards represented by the ribbon bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 No, Heiko, it was NOT that plain old ordinary Schlacht. As it happens he appears in the Triple Ernestine Duchies awards rolls--immediately removing THAT guy as a suspect. Why oh why do Daniel and I bother spending YEARS publishing award rolls? :speechless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) So, I have then not named bar.... but still very nice one! ;) Edited April 27, 2009 by Noor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 No, Heiko, it was NOT that plain old ordinary Schlacht. As it happens he appears in the Triple Ernestine Duchies awards rolls--immediately removing THAT guy as a suspect. Why oh why do Daniel and I bother spending YEARS publishing award rolls? Rick, I find it much easier to just pick a name. Saves time and money. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Well, I'm sure as **** not making any money for MY time! :speechless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I have no talent so I'm getting used to lying... I find that it's been working well for my bosses so why not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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