Farkas Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Hi Gents i like this pic hope you do too.... the card itself is immaculate so I'm a bit suspicious of its age but whatever the Guys on it look great. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Too bad the detail isn't better. I would have liked to have seen those leaders shoulder boards. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Hi Chip i will dust off my scanner and post some better ones and close ups... in particular do you mean the one on the left or right of the guy in the civvies? tony 4 minutes ago, Chip said: Too bad the detail isn't better. I would have liked to have seen those leaders shoulder boards. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Hi Tony, Both if you will. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 As far as I know (Chip will know better) these are members of the freiwillige Krankenpflege (voluntary medical care units). GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Here goes... files are tiny. I hope they work! tony Sorry both not much better are they. i'll have a practice tonight and post some more tomorrow tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Hello : To me they are members of the Red Cross . the bearded man wo rests his right elbow on the table appears to have officer shoulder boards and neatly a officers type belt and clasp . the other man appears to wear unterarzt shoulder boards . similar to the SB s used by offizierstellvertrer with a aesculapius staff on the middle . The man at the right of the civilian wears too officer SBs and belt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Hi, nice to see that Bayern supports my view. The Freiwillige Krankenpflege comprised different large organisations comitted to helping in the medical field. Apart from the Red Cross there were Malteser, Johanniter, Georgsritter, the Samaritans, the katholischen Pflegeorden, the evangelische Diakonie and the Jewish Krankenpflegevereine. At the proposed time of the photo 1907 a "Dienstverordnung für die freiwillige Krankenpflege" was issued and gave instructions as to their work and status. During the war 213.000 women and men worked with the freiwilligen Krankenpflege. http://www.sehepunkte.de/2014/07/24485.html GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 GreyC, Do you know if this book you reference has any information on the uniforms and ranks of the Freiwillige Krankenpflege? I collect the shoulder boards and it appears to me that each state had the state colors woven in to the brocade, in a similar fashion to army officer's shoulder boards. I have some with black stripes and blue stripes and am assuming they are Prussian and Bavarian organizations. I also have one with a rank that is not shown in my reference. Thanks, Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hello! Here are some uniform details of the Freiwillige Krankenpflege: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Hi Chip, I doubt it. The author is a historian who is less interested in these details and more so in the way the protagonists described their live in the service. As hardly any offical documents / sources survived, she based her doctoral dissertation on ego documents. So there may be references to the uniform but not in a systematic sense. GreyC PS: The German Red Cross seems to have destroyed all the documents when moving from one place to another with it´s headquarter long fter WW2 as the files were regarded as ballast. Edited July 16, 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hi Gents thanks all for your thoughts, information and interest.... I'm humbled by what you Gents know. I never expected to be able to 'label' this one..... cheers all tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Thanks for the showing the insignia chart Andy. I have that one too, but it apparently does not cover every example, as I have some that are not on it. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Here are two from my collection. Note the different collar patches Edited July 17, 2017 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Hi Gents I got this the other day the seller said he's wearing a Red Cross medal. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Good morning Tony, the photo was very probably taken before 1917 as the collar patches of the guy from the freiwillige Krankenpflege are still rectangular, not round. A close-up of the medal would be helpful, but I think it is the RK-medal. See attached scan of the member der freiwilligen Krankenpflege who wears it as his lowest award. GreyC Edited September 17, 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Hi GreyC, he is wearing the Ehrenzeichen des DeutschenRoten Kreuzes 2nd class, this medal was founded on April 28th 1922, but was awarded the first time in 1924, please have a look here: http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/weimarer-republik/ehrenzeichen-des-deutschen-roten-kreuzes-1922-kreuz-2-klasse.html Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Hi Andreas, thank you for your comment. Yes, the cross in the middle is the Ehrenzeichen des DeutschenRoten Kreuzes awarded in the Weimar Republic. But I meant to indicate with the arrow the medal next to it on the far right, which to me looks like the Red Cross Medal of Imperial Germany 3rd class. It seems to match the medal in Farkas photo. Correct me if I am wrong on this, please. GreyC PS: The Cross below the three medals looks like a long service award of one of the Landesverbände. Probably Prussian, because he was from the Goslar Chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Hi Gents i had only just received this and hadn't noticed the collars on the others! It was only as Andreas said founded in 1922 that I noticed . nice one. thanks both. this pic may be tiny bit better? Again thanks for your comments Gents tony PS hoping if I look through my existing photos again I'll spot a few more of these fellas..... 6 hours ago, dedehansen said: Hi GreyC, he is wearing the Ehrenzeichen des DeutschenRoten Kreuzes 2nd class, this medal was founded on April 28th 1922, but was awarded the first time in 1924, please have a look here: http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/weimarer-republik/ehrenzeichen-des-deutschen-roten-kreuzes-1922-kreuz-2-klasse.html Kind regards Andreas 5 hours ago, GreyC said: Hi Andreas, thank you for your comment. Yes, the cross in the middle is the Ehrenzeichen des DeutschenRoten Kreuzes awarded in the Weimar Republic. But I meant to indicate with the arrow the medal next to it on the far right, which to me looks like the Red Cross Medal of Imperial Germany 3rd class. It seems to match the medal in Farkas photo. Correct me if I am wrong on this, please. GreyC PS: The Cross below the three medals looks like a long service award of one of the Landesverbände. Probably Prussian, because he was from the Goslar Chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Hi Gents no Red Cross uniforms but... perhaps the back is more interesting than the front?(I can't read it btw...) tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Hi, it´s a photo that was given every patient of/in the Vereinslazarett Hitzacker (in Northern Germany at the River Elbe) on the occasion of the parting of Fräulein v. Estdorf who seems to have helped out with caricative duties. It seems to hae been her photo, as a note beneath her name makes it plausible. There is also a Countess of Oehnausen different female nurses and helping hands as well as a police NCO on the photo. GreyC Hi Chip, with regards to your question in #9 on ranks/insignia: the new book won´t have any, but the 1907 "Dienstverordnung für die freiwillige Krankenpflege" has a verbal description of them in it. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Hello GreyC, Do you have a copy of this book and if so, could you scan the descriptions of the insignia? Thanks, Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Hi Chip, have a look into a forum you should know well. I did a little piece there. See especially #3 and #4: http://feldgrau.pytalhost.com/threads/dienstgradabzeichen-und-uniformen-der-freiwilligen-krankenpflege.37404/ I am preparing a more coherent and extensive article on the topic, need to do some more research for it in Berlin, though. GreyC Edited September 19, 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Hello GreyC, Yes, I am familiar with this thread, but it does not list all of the ranks. I say this, because I have examples that are not described or shown in the Tafel. I am still trying to identify them. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Hi Chip, that´s the reason for the 2nd part of my post here. If you mail me privately, I might help you none the less. More than the info on my Feldgrau thread are not in the Dienstanweisungen. GreyC Edited September 19, 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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