Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 Document 7, part 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 And "that" -- as they say -- is "that". Other than the illegible four-pager this is all I have. While I feel guilty -- and am sure others feel resentful -- about risking turning this into The Gentleman's Russian Translation Club, I'd appreciate any ANY clues that those more able that I in Ruissian can offer. Perhaps I just need to (1) resubmit this to the Research Wizard and (2) learn Russian (in addition to ....). (The Mongolian is coming along rather well, thank you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 YOU said "Medal for Combat Service - 2627284Medal for Combat Service - unnumbered"... instead of Military Merit Medal!!!! post #s 35-37 (gives wrong birth year as "1918" for correct 1922, all else matches) is recommendation for Medal for Valor, which was put in thusly:"From the first days of the Paytiotic War, served in the ranks of the Red Fleet. In the days of the Leningrad blockade, under arty-fire {{yes, that's how it's abbreviated}}} of the enemy, took part in the ranks of salvage raising operations on the battleship "Petropavlovsk," the transport "Svir'," and the Konlodka {{I don't know what type vessel that is--can't find word}}} "Pioner." In all work missions, demonstrated exemplary self-sacrifice, disciplined work. Deserves to be awarded medal 'for Valor.'Engineer Major Kazin, 143rd Detachment for Underwater Technical Work, 17 May 1945."It is stamped up top "Ushakov, 28.5.45."Posts #s38-39 are for his 28.2.46what is it againwhat's its ACCURATE name thenMilitary Merit Medal That is QUITE an understated Ushakov for 900 days of about the worst fangerous work I can think of during the siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 Thanks much, Rick.So nothing for the Ushakov. Grrrr .....Since McDaniel and Schmitt have used the "Medal for Combat Service" in their "Bible", I retain that English phrasing. Likewise, if Battushig wants to call them the "Order of the Sacred Rod" and the "Order of the Polar Star" in English, I'll stay with that. We know what we are talking about??? Personally, I'd just prefer to call them what they are called, but I guess this would put off many collectors?Did I sort his/hers properly?? What was her maiden name?If she got the jubilee OPW2, then may we assume he possibly didn't survive to get his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 No, that WAS the Ushakov I just translated. Submitted as a Valor and came back as an Ushakov.Will sort out what else I can, but get confused by multi pages.And NO, just 'cause everybody else jumps off the roof doesn't mean WE should, to paraphrase the Collective Ma."Service" is "Sluzhba." "Merit" is "Zasluga" which is what the medal says.Just because everybody else (including Russians and people who cannot tell the very same difference in German between Dienst-versus-Verdienst) are WRONG does not mean we should PERPETUATE their errors. The Martin Luther of Soviet Collecting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 Oh, OK, thanks.So long as we are standard in our naming, I guess we could call it a "peach" and we'd all know, so long as that vocalulary was published and generally accepted. That is as "wrong" as any other name. The name is the name only in the relevant language and script. I wish McD/S had included the Russian names, as I wish B had included the Mongolian names. THOSE are the names. Until someone publishes something better that sets a new standard, . . . .(This is why, for example, a publisher is screaming at me just now regarding what he thinks is the "silly" stubborn insistence that a forthcoming book on post-1947 Indian awards includes the names of the awards, properly, in Hindi. But that is !)Back on topic, sorry for multi pages, but legibility is more important, I think., that goofy cuts in text.Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 In Medals of the Soviet Union by A Volodun and N Merplau (I appologise if these names are wrong my russian isnt that strong) calls it The Medal For Service in Battle Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Aside from the FACT that most had NOTHING to do with "battle" ZASLUGA = MERIT/ JUST DESSERTS. "Boyevie" is literally untranslatable (even in Russian-- it's like the German "Krieger" which cannot wend its way into English without imagery of spears and bare feet). "Battle" is "Bitva," or "Srazhenie." "Combat" is "Boi" or... "Srazhenie." But hundreds of thousands of 10 years long service medals to people who never saw "combat" does not make that an ACCURATE translation.If it's raining, 10 million people saying it ISN'T won't keep you dry!Don't make me pop my cork over the collective illiteracy of the entire human race except We Few, We MMM-sayers!!!! Wrong is wrong and correct is correct. This brings up VERY bad repressed memories of that imbecilic "niggardly" "controversy." Don't even GO there.Ahem.There are considerable paperwork discrepancies with Comrade Grigory Klementievich Slipchenko's bio, but the most accurate or at least mutually supporting sayBorn 18 October 1922 in the village of Drachi, Rzhishchavsky Raion, Kiev Oblast. Working class Ukrainian with 5th (or 6th, pick your paperwork) class education, trained as an electrical machinist. Joined the Red navy 28 August 1941 and seems to have served to September 1956, though granted a December 1956 15 Years Red Star, so... pick your paperwork. Candidate Party Member 1944, Party Member 1946.Promotions: Senior Sailor April 1945, "Starshina 2nd Status" 3 January 1946, "Starshina 1st Status" 6.11.46, "Leading Starshina" 9.6.49 (afraid I cannot relate these to current navy ranks at all). "Michman" (Warrant Officer) 12.7.52The text is so spotty and light in posts #s38-41 that I cannot get more than the general drift of "hard work." It was put in as a Nakhimov and came back as his numbered MMM Posts #s42-43 is 1947 confirmation of Ushakov #14588 per 28.5.45.Psts #s48-51 are for his first Red Star, with citation text in posts 50 and 51 about his FIVE YEARS of lethally dangerous salvage work and unexploded mines clearance in harbors and up the River Dvina while Commander of Divers, 99th Divers Group, 406th Independent Division of Emergency Rescue Service, Riga Naval base, 8th Naval....but I have to go lie down now on my fainting couch, until my peeves have evaporated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Rick-If it's any consolation, I agree with you about it being an MMM... Now, back to the topic... Here's the history of the Petropavlovsk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Here's a history of the Pioneer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 And a picture of the pretty little ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Ed, Thanks for sharing this one with us..... Rusty, a fantastic set you kept an eye on until now. Thanks to both of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 This one was one of my favorite groups. Ed got another one htat I also liked allot!Time for someone else to enjoy them for a while!I get to put a nice downpayment on my 1st home and everyone wins!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Fantastic group, Ed. Thanks for sharing Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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