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    Damn.... When I buy a re searchable item I never start the research until I have the item in my hand... otherwise my superstition says it will get lost in the post....

    Last week I just confirmed a few points on ancestry before buying an item, but did not download anything to avoid jinxing it.

    Now I have the item, and my ancestry access no longer works!!!! :-)

    If anyone has access, can you please tell me when Franz Schuegraf was wounded? I think it was sometime in November 1917....



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    there are several listings of him.
    He was woundet 11. Aug. 1917. Schrapnellsteckschuß Oberschenkel. One list says left leg, the other list says right leg.
    He was awarded with the Edelweiss, but no comment about the ring.
    regards Andreas

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    1 hour ago, Chris Boonzaier said:


    The rings were never entered as far as I know.

    Thats not right.
    I have seen some in the lists.
    Here one example.
    Awarded in June 1918


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    I researched some Guys who recieved it in July 1917, no entries.

    As each record was entered by the company clerks for the mans respective company, I would bet that it was dependent on the company as to whether the details were entered or not.

    i.e. 1. Komp entered the rings, 2. Komp did not.

    Here are a list of the officers...

    In the part 2 there are 6 officers who also recieved the Manschafts ring then later recieved the officers one.


    Oberst Ritter von Epp

    Oblt. d. R. Buchhierl

    Oblt. Schoerner

    Oblt. v. Bomhard

    Hptm. Frhr. v. Riedheim

    Oblt. d. R. Bretschneider

    Oblt. d. R. Murr

    Oblt. Frhr. v. Fraunberg

    Lt. Rüger

    Lt. d. R. Kammerer

    Hptm. Frhr. v. Bechtolsheim

    Lt. Graf v. Dürckheim

    Oblt. Graf v. Armansperg

    Oblt. d. R. Brötz

    Hptm. Frhr. v. Pranckh ++

    Lt. Frhr. v. Pranckh ++

    Hptm. Graf v. Bothmer

    Lt. v. Stettner

    Lt. Frhr. v. Godin

    Lt. d. R. Dunker

    Lt. d. R. Ritter v. Halt

    Oblt. Graf v. Bothmer

    Hptm. d. R. Herr

    Lt. d. R. Petzold

    Lt. d. R. Hartmann

    Hptm. d. R. Frhr. V. Pechmann

    Lt. März

    Oblt. Frhr. v. Speidel Ant

    Lt. d. R. Boehmer

    Lt. d. R. Neubert

    Oblt. d. R. Schumann

    Lt. d. R. Meng

    Lt. Frhr. v. Thüngen

    Oblt. d. R. Griebenow

    Lt. v. Lossow



    Lt. d. R. Puhl (154)

    Lt. d. R. Mitterer (1087)

    Lt. d. R. Hipper

    Lt. d. R. Fleischmann (743)

    Lt. d. R. Dreyer

    Lt. d. R. Dr. Brammertz

    Lt. d. R. Harrach

    Lt. d. R. Heilmann

    Lt. d. R. Betz (118)

    Lt. d. R. Mackh ++

    Lt. d. R. Wirsing

    Lt. d. R. Koeppen (255)

    Lt. d. R. Dietlein(709)

    Lt. d. R. Jäger W.

    Lt. d. R. Streil

    Lt. d. R. Mooseder

    Lt. d. R. Westrum

    Lt. d. R. Stumm

    Lt. d. R. Send

    Lt. d. R. Leberle

    Lt. d. R. Breitschwerd

    Lt. d. R. Borchhardt

    Lt. d. R. Nissen

    Lt. d. R. Bernhard

    Lt. d. R. Jäger D.

    Most of the Part 2 officers were previously NCOs

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    • 6 years later...

    Three Tapferkeits-Offiziere: Ludwig Streil received the Military Merit Cross (Bavaria), 3rd Class with the Crown and Swords (BMVK3.mKr⚔/BM5c.mKr⚔) on 11 September 1914, the Bavarian Bravery Medal (Military Merit Medal) in Gold (BMVM1/BgMV) on 1 December 1914, the Wound Badge (Verwundetenabzeichen 1918) in Gold and the Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 4th Class with Swords (BMV4⚔/BM4⚔) on 3 March 1919, among other awards. Ferdinand Hipper received the Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 4th Class with Swords (BMV4⚔/BM4⚔) on 8 November 1918. Nikolaus Puhl (1893–1954), received the Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 4th Class with Swords (BMV4⚔/BM4⚔) on 12 May 1918, he would later become lord of the manor in Landenham near Munich on the Austrian border and Lieutenant Colonel of the Wehrmacht. I imagine all three received the NCO AND the officer Leiberring? Thanks! 

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