Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 What is this award? Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse or Mecklenburg-Schwerin Militärverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse? Or something else? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) To me, this looks like one of the unofficial 1920s awards. Could be the pinback cross of Frontkriegerbund or Kriegserinnerungszeichen. Of course, these were banned in wear in the Kriegsmarine, but maybe the Admiral (picture must be from 1938/39) didn't care. Edited April 22, 2018 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Dear fellow collectors To me the award looked a bit like the Steckkreuz für Treue Dienste from Schaumburg-lippe, the cross 1st class. The arms seem less wide than those of the Iron cross, and we see a small emblem in the center of the cross, which could very well be the capital 'A' on the cross. I will attach some pictures. Kind regards, Laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Dear fellow collectors To me the award looked a bit like the Steckkreuz für Treue Dienste from Schaumburg-lippe, the cross 1st class. The arms seem less wide than those of the Iron cross, and we see a small emblem in the center of the cross, which could very well be the capital 'A' on the cross. I will attach some pictures. Kind regards, Laurentius Thank you for your answers guys. What about the Fürstl. Lippisches Kriegsehrenkreuz für Heldenmütige Tat? The thing is, on the photo of Bartenbach I can't see the Laurel wreath (Lorbeerkranz) that is on the Lippe award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 You’re right, I can’t see the laurel wreath either. And the shape doesn’t match the Schaumburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 So, do we all agree it is most likely that the award is the Steckkreuz für Treue Dienste 1st Class from Schaumburg-Lippe? Or... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 No. As I said, the shape does not match. I still think I was right: This is one of the unofficial 1920s pinback crosses, see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) No. As I said, the shape does not match. I still think I was right: This is one of the unofficial 1920s pinback crosses, see above. Yes, I saw your post, and I do agree with you. It could be one of the unofficial awards. But you didn't say, is Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse out of the question or also possible? The shape looks similar to me. When I was trying to ID Bartenbach's medal bar, on another forum a memeber said one of the medals is the Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse. We can't confirm it with the Rangliste because Bartenbach retired in 1920 and wasn't active again until 1934. So if he recieved the Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse it is also quite possible he recieved the 1.Klasse. The 6th medal was identified as the Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse. After Oldenburg Friedrich August-Kreuz 2. Klasse (partly covered by it) and before Lübeckisches Hanseatenkreuz. Edited April 23, 2018 by Kriegsmarine Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Hard to tell. We need a better scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 Hard to tell. We need a better scan. Unfortunately this is the best scan we have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompress Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Dear fellow collectors To me the award looked a bit like the Steckkreuz für Treue Dienste from Schaumburg-lippe, the cross 1st class. The arms seem less wide than those of the Iron cross, and we see a small emblem in the center of the cross, which could very well be the capital 'A' on the cross. I will attach some pictures. Kind regards, Laurentius Sorry, but this is not possible. The Schaumburg-Lippe cross od 1st class was only awarded to princely persons (36 pieces awarded). The Braunschweig cross 1st class is most likely here (in my opinion ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Again: I believe this is not the Braunschweig KVK1, for two reasons: - The shape of the arms of the Braunschweig KVK1 does not match. - The Braunschweig KVK1 is smaller than the EK1, while Bartenbach's award is the same size as the EK. See the picture below of both awards in wear for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 dear Webr55 The Brunswick Ernst-August cross 1st class is 41 MM whilst the EK1 is around 42 MM (sizes may differ a bit per maker). So the KVK1 and the EK1 are roughly the same size. It is the cross 2nd class that is 30 MM, the one you are probably thinking of. Kind regards, Laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Well. Please look at the picture above and compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Dear Webr55 I looked at it and I put a ruler against my screen to measure them, the EK1 and the KVK1 are roughly the same size Kind regards, laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Dear Webr55 I looked at it and I put a ruler against my screen to measure them, the EK1 and the KVK1 are roughly the same size Kind regards, laurentius Hello laurentius, do you then think Bartenbach is wearing the Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentius Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Dear Kriegsmarine Admiral I don't know what it is, it could be a Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreus 1. Klasse. I only meant to say that the argument that there is a size-difference is wrong. I think we need better pictures before we can make a proper judgement. Kind regards, Laurentius Edited May 1, 2018 by laurentius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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