Gallipoli Star small size

[PREM]

Hello !

I bought this Gallipoli star. What do you think about her? It has a reduced dimension (about 40 mm), looks good in my opinion, but I prefer to ask. The seller stated that this is the so-called "Prinzengröße". I am asking for an opinion.

[demir]

If you like it no problem, but not a real one.

Best wishes

 

[saschaw]

I have to agree with Demir: This is a "collectors' copy", to put it politely!

[PREM]

All stars except the original Turkish ones are basically fakes of the original. They are called jewelery berths.

[saschaw]

Pardon, but that's nonsense. There is a huge difference between pieces that were made in the old days to be purchased and worn by actual awardees, and pieces made in the past few years, with the only purpose to deceive(!) collectors. Yours is one of the latter category, unfortunately. I have one alike, in my "poison cabinet".

[PREM]

Based on these photos, you can actually suspect that it is a fake. But it looks a little different live. From the opinion of which I consulted this jewelry product from the years 1920-1930 of the twentieth century. what would be the point of faking the whistle in a reduced size and additionally the star shows signs of enamel repair. Everyone, of course, can judge what they think, but the truth is that only Turkish stars are truly original and the rest are jewelry equivalents made in different periods. I'd love to see your ,,poison cabinet" stars ?

[speedytop]

Hi,

"... but the truth is that only Turkish stars are truly original and the rest are jewelry equivalents made in different periods."

Is this meant for pieces like yours in "Prinzengröße", or is this also meant for all the pieces in the original size?

Uwe

[PREM]

All changed dimensions of the badges are jewelery pieces from what I found and read. Also jewelery items are those in their original dimensions not produced in Turkey, but produced until the Second World War. Modern copies are in standard star size.
Reduced and enlarged stars were produced in the 20-30s of the 20th century.
Obviously, this is the information I got, and I do not insist that there is no other explanation. There are many puzzles with this star ?

[speedytop]

So you say, that a badge, produced by B.B.&Co, is a jewelery piece and had not been awarded, because not produced in Turkey?

Uwe

[PREM]

I heard the opinion that B.B. & Co is a German company that produces under the official Turkish order, in Turkey.

[saschaw]

On 07/09/2020 at 10:05, PREM said:

 what would be the point (...)

The same point as always: To screw collectors, and to make money. In the past ten or fifteen years, prices for Ottoman awards were absolutely skyrocketing, and the high demand - and prices! - created a legion of fake stars, in several sizes and different qualities.

To be honest, I'm not sure if a reduced size of this award was ever made back in the days. I cannot remember one authentic piece (and no, yours won't change my mind). Oversized examples are well known and established, of course. Whoever told you all recent fakes are standard size only apparently doesn't study the fake market or the forums carefully enough. Especially oversized pieces are offered and sold regularly.

On 07/09/2020 at 10:05, PREM said:

I'd love to see your ,,poison cabinet" stars ?

You're welcome! I'm sometimes buying fakes, knowingly, to study how they are made...

Edited September 8, 2020 by saschaw

[PREM]

In fact, the star is much like mine in a smaller dimension. All in all, it looks interesting, if it's really a fake, it's hard to honor my collection, I didn't overpay much for it  v?

Thanks for help ?

I'm uploading some better photos, it actually looks similar to yours .....

[saschaw]

Thanks for the additional pictures, PREM. I agree both our stars are the same variation. I could find one more of these on ebay, sold some weeks ago by cph70. This is one of the well known sellers of dubious pieces. In fact, I have never seen any of their auctions that I felt comfortable with. And this is just one of dozens(!) similar German ebay sellers.

Edited September 9, 2020 by saschaw

[PREM]

I bought it on
seller's auction

https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/auction-stephan-de

Earlier
And it seems to be common practice indeed, thanks for the packaging!

All the best!

Prem

Edited September 9, 2020 by PREM

[saschaw]

On 08/09/2020 at 18:09, saschaw said:

To be honest, I'm not sure if a reduced size of this award was ever made back in the days. I cannot remember one authentic piece (...) 

Our forum, with all its older entries, is such a wealthy treasure of information. Browsing old threads, I actually found an authentic reduced size Turkish war medal! It has been shown by our dear member Avşar İbar more than twelve years ago. No wonder I couldn't remember ever seeing one...

[PREM]

Thank you very much for the link to the star description in reduced size! It's all very interesting ? By the way, I read the whole thread from 12 years ago. You can learn interesting things ?