Langers Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 Here is a recent purchase from a Saxe-Weimar soldier from WW1. They consist of: • Iron Cross II Class (Prussia) • Military Order of St. Henry Silver Medal (Saxony) • Merit Medal Wilhelm Ernst Bronze (Saxe-Weimar) • Friedrich Cross (Anhalt) • IX Years Service Medal (Saxe-Weimar) The Military Order of St. Henry Silver Medal has a makers mark for F.U. (Friedrich Ulbricht). Sadly no knowledge of the original owner, but this is a delightful group! Stay Safe!
Langers Posted April 19, 2021 Author Posted April 19, 2021 49 minutes ago, VtwinVince said: Please show an image of the reverse. I can’t; the file is too large. I’ll try again later.
Langers Posted April 19, 2021 Author Posted April 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Simius Rex said: You purchased it from a Saxe-Weimar soldier from WW1? Those Saxons have remarkable longevity. A daily diet of Saxon yoghurt is their secret, I believe. I am sorry to have to tell you that every single ribbon installed on this bar was fabricated WELL after 1945. In other words, it is a modern creation. I think a ribbon-identification tutorial is in order in light of the other medal bar that you posted several weeks ago. If you are going to collect these bars, and you don't want to get stuck with repros, you need to be able to identify weft and warp threads AT THE VERY LEAST. You can post a back of the bar if you wish, but the front has already conveyed the essence of the matter. (The medals themselves, however, look fine.) I bought it for the medals, not the bar. I collect medals, not ribbons. 10 minutes ago, Simius Rex said: Here is a quick review of what a period-original medal bar's ribbons must look like in order to be genuine. This doesn't mean that a bar can't be assembled using original ribbons. That requires a careful analysis of materials, technique, backing, devices, etc. and that kind of capability comes from years and years of experience. Photo #1 below shows a period-original ribbon. Study the 2 edges carefully. A diagram of this ribbon's weft and warp weave-pattern can be seen in photo #2. Thanks for the tip.
Langers Posted April 19, 2021 Author Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Simius Rex said: Unfortunately, that is not the impression you communicated. When you stated that "Sadly no knowledge of the original owner, but this is a delightful group" it implies that the bar is unattributed. I do not believe that a random assemblage of medals suspended from a modern medal bar could possibly have an "original owner" in the sense that experienced collectors use that term. Oh shut up and bugger off. Stop gate keeping and get over yourself. Edited April 19, 2021 by Langers 1
Langers Posted April 19, 2021 Author Posted April 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Simius Rex said: Unfortunately, that is not the impression you communicated. When you stated that "Sadly no knowledge of the original owner, but this is a delightful group" it implies that the bar is unattributed. I do not believe that a random assemblage of medals suspended from a modern medal bar could possibly have an "original owner" in the sense that experienced collectors use that term. Attitudes like this is exactly what is wrong with militaria and military history followers; it’s too inaccessible, too elitist and too semantic. I won’t bother here on this site anymore. Stay safe and take care all. 2
bolewts58 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 I think your reaction is out of line and childish to say the least. Simius Rex was being very respectful and only trying to help. Is it really "too inaccessible, too elitist and too semantic" to try to be historically accurate? That is the raison d'etre for forums like this to exist. You obviously showed this bar hoping for a fawning "ooh, aah" reaction from other members. When you didn't get it and your lack of basic knowledge was quickly exposed, you made the absolutely inane and silly response of "I collect medals, not ribbons". (What medal collector doesn't collect ribbons?). If you're intent on leaving the forum after only 41 posts because you can't accept the truth, while unfortunate, it's no great loss to any of us. Obviously, based on your reaction, you're not interested in history but only in accumulating shiny things like some magpie. 6
saschaw Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 On 19/04/2021 at 20:04, Langers said: I bought it for the medals, not the bar. I collect medals, not ribbons. I'm sorry to say so, but all of these are suspicious as well, to put it mildly. Bars like this do frequently come from a certain ebay seller from northern Germany, and usually contain cast fake medals only...
VtwinVince Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 LOL, looks like 'the Club' was the purveyor of this pile of crap.
saschaw Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, VtwinVince said: LOL, looks like 'the Club' was the purveyor of this pile of crap. The club? Totally not, no. Their bars have a much different look. This one, according to my records, was sold by 0179alwinkler. That's apparently the same seller that was active as nataliyaa123 from at least 2010 to 2014... and from their dozens of medal bars and literally hundreds of single awards offered, I have hardly ever seen one piece that I would have liked... 1
v.Perlet Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Hello sashaw, What is The club? I just had a look on the link 0179alw...., That guy is something. But at least he is fair enough to write:? Da es sich um eine Privatauktion handelt, sind Umtausch, Garantieansprüche und Rücknahme ausgeschlossen. Regards v.Perlet
VtwinVince Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Sascha, I do remember this Nataliyaa seller from some years ago. I think it is not improbable that some of the medals on this bar originate from the 'club'.
BlackcowboyBS Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 On 22/01/2022 at 13:12, v.Perlet said: Hello sashaw, What is The club? I just had a look on the link 0179alw...., That guy is something. But at least he is fair enough to write:? Da es sich um eine Privatauktion handelt, sind Umtausch, Garantieansprüche und Rücknahme ausgeschlossen. Regards v.Perlet The club is a bunch of ebay-sellers offering 99.9 % faked imperial german medals, orders and medalbars! Have a look at the Schrägstrich Faker posts and you can see them in action.
saschaw Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) On 22/01/2022 at 13:12, v.Perlet said: What is The club? That's short for a specific ebay seller, raritaetensammlerclub. They are also running a homepage, and some more ebay sellers, like cetra2003 and - with current auctions! - rittergut_von_mauntz seem to be closely "related". The so called Schrägstrich faker , however, is another network on their own. I'm not saying their stuff is actually different; they probably do have a common supplier... Edited January 23, 2022 by saschaw 1
v.Perlet Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Hello saschaw, BlackcowboyBS, okay understood and thanks for the info. Regards v,Perlet Edited January 24, 2022 by v.Perlet
saschaw Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 On 21/01/2022 at 23:49, saschaw said: This one (...) was sold by 0179alwinkler. That's apparently the same seller that was active as nataliyaa123 (...) Not sure how I could miss to mention, but we definitely have to add afanade2014 to very this little network. And: they're currently active!
saschaw Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 Tomorrow, two more ugly fake medals bars offered by afanade2014 will be sold on German ebay ... beware! Another suspicious medal bar that seems to be made by the same "workshop" was recently sold here. 1
saschaw Posted August 5, 2023 Posted August 5, 2023 Another, very similar one, albeit with curled ribbons, was sold just a few weeks ago, again by afanade2014:
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