Generalmajor Kurt Freiherr von Watter

[Deutschritter]

Any help identifying the WW I decorations of Kurt Freiherr von Watter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

 

[Deutschritter]

Do I see a wounded badge in black? His top neck order with swords is probably Württemberg?

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Deutschritter

[Deutschritter]

Here is what I have, but I am missing many WW I awards (Albrechts-Orden? HOH? Preußischer Kronenorden?):

 

27. März 1886 Sekondeleutnant

27. Januar 1894 Premierleutnant

13. Oktober 1899 Hauptmann

4. August 1909 Major

8. November 1914 Oberstleutnant

16. November 1917 Oberst

15. Januar 1920 Charakter als Generalmajor z. D.

 

Zentenarmedaille, 1897

Roter Adlerorden, IV. Klasse mit der Krone

Friedrichs-Orden, Ritter I. Klasse (WF3a)

Militärverdienstorden (Bayern), IV. Klasse mit der Krone (BMV4mKr)

Ehrenritter des Johanniterordens (PStJO)

Württembergisches Militär-Dienstehrenzeichen, I. Klasse (WMD1)

Eisernes Kreuz (1914), II. und I. Klasse

Verwundetenabzeichen (1918) in Schwarz

Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Edited October 6, 2021 by Deutschritter

[ccj]

Nice photo

 

the Neck orders are:

Wurttemberg Friedrich Order Commander 2nd class w/Sword

Prussian Crown Order 2nd Class w/Swords

Prussian Johanniter Order

 

Chest:

Wurttemberg Crown Order Honor Cross w/Swords

Saxon Albert Order Officer Cross w/Swords

 

[Deutschritter]

Thank you! The new list is now:

 

Zentenarmedaille, 1897

Roter Adlerorden, IV. Klasse mit der Krone

Friedrichs-Orden, Ritter I. Klasse (WF3a)

Militärverdienstorden (Bayern), IV. Klasse mit der Krone (BMV4mKr)

Ehrenritter des Johanniterordens (PStJO)

Württembergisches Militär-Dienstehrenzeichen, I. Klasse (WMD1)

Eisernes Kreuz (1914), II. und I. Klasse

Orden der Württembergischen Krone, Ehrenkreuz mit Schwertren

Preußischer Kronenorden, II. Klasse mit Schwertern

Friedrichs-Orden, Komturkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern

Albrechts-Orden, Offizierkreuz mit Schwertern

Verwundetenabzeichen (1918) in Schwarz

Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Deutschritter

[Daniel Krause]

pls delete the "swords to the BMV4Kr" - he did not get anything from Bavaria in WW1.

And - Bavaria did not award "swords to something" in WW1 in general.

If somebody had a peacetime class, he could get another one with swords and wear both the same time.

 

Best

Daniel

[Deutschritter]

Thank you, Daniel! I thought I had identified swords on the picture with his medal bar. Daniel, a follow-up question, please: "Bavaria did not award "swords to something" in WW1 in general." Here you write (2013), von Mudra received the "BMVGKX", therefore swords, but he already had the (BMV1/BMV.G.Kr) before the war. Now my sincere question: did he receive the swords, as you wrote, or not? As an amateur I am very inquisitive and willing to learn.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Deutschritter

[saschaw]

On 11/10/2021 at 17:27, Deutschritter said:

Now my sincere question: did he receive the swords, as you wrote, or not? As an amateur I am very inquisitive and willing to learn.

As Daniel said above, if "somebody had a peacetime class, he could get another one with swords and wear both the same time". While this was not usual in Prussia, where additional swords would be awarded to a "innehabende" peace time class, and thus replacing it, Baden did the same. You'll find quite some rank list entries with two same class awards of the Bavarian MVO or Baden's Zähringer lion order with and without swords, but nothing like this (or hardly anything?) with Prussian orders... everything clear now?