Bravery medal 1866 with a purple ribbon

[Carlo]

 

Hello everybody, I've had this silver bravery medal 2nd class for a while and I've always wondered if the color of the ribbon was born as it is or its color is due to the effect of time.

The medal is not marked on the rim, so as far as i know it was made before the mandatory hallmarking of 1872.

As always, any help is greatly appreciated!

 

Carlo

[graham]

Just faded I think. Have you checked the unexposed area of the ribbon to see if it still retains its original colour?

[Carlo]

13 minutes ago, graham said:

Just faded I think. Have you checked the unexposed area of the ribbon to see if it still retains its original colour?

Yes, I also checked the unexposed areas, and the color is the same, just a little darker.

[Elmar Lang]

In this case, you are the lucky owner of a very early triangular ribbon. Its purple colour is typical of those issued in the 1848-1859 period. 

 

Of course it happened that this type of ribbon could have been used later too, or simply changed from a medal to another one. 

 

All the best, 

 

Enzo

[Carlo]

1 hour ago, Elmar Lang said:

In this case, you are the lucky owner of a very early triangular ribbon. Its purple colour is typical of those issued in the 1848-1859 period. 

 

Of course it happened that this type of ribbon could have been used later too, or simply changed from a medal to another one. 

 

All the best, 

 

Enzo

Wow! Many thanks for the info! To the eye and to the touch you can immediately see that it is a very old ribbon, but honestly I did not think so old!

Thanks a lot!!

 

Carlo

[Ura87]

53 minutes ago, Carlo said:

Wow! Many thanks for the info! To the eye and to the touch you can immediately see that it is a very old ribbon, but honestly I did not think so old!

Thanks a lot!!

 

Carlo

Nice one. Sometimes early medals have marks on the rim, this happened when the medal was given as a duplicate. (Images from the Internet)

[Carlo]

6 minutes ago, Ura87 said:

Nice one. Sometimes early medals have marks on the rim, this happened when the medal was given as a duplicate. (Images from the Internet)

Interesting, I didn't know that, thanks a lot!!

[Elmar Lang]

Let's not forget that the "A" mark was struck on the rim of silver and gold medals from 1867 onwards. 

 

In the case of the Emperor Ferdinand type 1st Class medals, the suspension appears as modified from the larger loop to the one as known on the gold and silver bravery medals, Emperor Franz Josef type, from 1848/49 until 1914 (for the gold ones, until 1916/17).

Edited January 22, 2023 by Elmar Lang

[Carlo]

13 minutes ago, Elmar Lang said:

Let's not forget that the "A" mark was struck on the rim of silver and gold medals from 1867 onwards. 

 

In the case of the Emperor Ferdinand type 1st Class medals, the suspension appears as modified from the larger loop to the one as known on the gold and silver bravery medals, Emperor Franz Josef type, from 1848/49 until 1914 (for the gold ones, until 1916/17).

Very interesting, I remembered the "A" mark on the rim was introduced in 1872, not 1867.

Many thanks!

The beauty of discussing with more experienced people is that you never stop learning!

[Ura87]

This is posthumous medal for WWI. I don't know if the early medals awarded during WWI had markings, but I think they might have.

This is early medal with two marks. I don't know what it mean. 

[Carlo]

29 minutes ago, Ura87 said:

This is posthumous medal for WWI. I don't know if the early medals awarded during WWI had markings, but I think they might have.

This is early medal with two marks. I don't know what it mean. 

Very interesting, I had never seen these markings before!!!

[graham]

Very interesting markings. Maybe from Krakow?

 

https://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONARYEUHALLMARKPOLAND.HTML

 

None of these are a perfect match but some come close.

[1812 Overture]

This is my early level 1 bravery medal (next to PS seems to be Saxony's bravery. I forgot to buy it at a very low price)

[Carlo]

6 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

This is my early level 1 bravery medal (next to PS seems to be Saxony's bravery. I forgot to buy it at a very low price) 94.67 kB · 0 downloads

Very beautiful medal, the oldest one I have at the moment is the second model of Emperor Franz Joseph (1859-1866)

[tifes]

On 22/01/2023 at 21:19, Ura87 said:

This is posthumous medal for WWI. I don't know if the early medals awarded during WWI had markings, but I think they might have.

This is early medal with two marks. I don't know what it mean. 

It´s Golden Bravery Medal FJI model 1859. These versions (both FJI ones: 1849, 1859) were awarded from "old stock" in 1914/1915. It can be seen it´s in mint condition as never been worn. Hallmarks on the suspension are Polish ones from period the 1963-1986 and been struck on the medal for unknown reasons, most probable story would be either legal import to Poland or official sale in Poland when tax should have been paid.