Combined ribbon - unusual combination

[Carlo]

Greetings,
I want to present to you an article that has given me a lot to think about lately, it is a combined ribbon with 4 decorations.

I know that combined ribbons existed and were used, what makes me think is the combination of decorations to which the individual ribbons belong.
Order of the Iron Crown, Order of Franz Joseph, Kanonenkreuz, Service Cross.

The ribbon that makes me think is that of the kanonenkreuz, which could have been combined with that of the order of the iron crown, but I have some doubts about the other two.

The ribbon is made of very fine silk, which makes me think it is quite old, but other than that I have no other information.
If anyone has any ideas or information it would be greatly appreciated.

[Stogieman]

Interesting, never seen this combination before!

[Farkas]

Another thing i’ve never heard of Carlos...

this on top of that unusual medal/ribbon hanger you have. 

 

Looks like I’m gonna have to go check my little handful of bars as well now 😊 

 

tony 🍻

[Graf]

On 09/10/2023 at 07:58, Carlo said:

Greetings,
I want to present to you an article that has given me a lot to think about lately, it is a combined ribbon with 4 decorations.

I know that combined ribbons existed and were used, what makes me think is the combination of decorations to which the individual ribbons belong.
Order of the Iron Crown, Order of Franz Joseph, Kanonenkreuz, Service Cross.

The ribbon that makes me think is that of the kanonenkreuz, which could have been combined with that of the order of the iron crown, but I have some doubts about the other two.

The ribbon is made of very fine silk, which makes me think it is quite old, but other than that I have no other information.
If anyone has any ideas or information it would be greatly appreciated.

Yes combined ribbon existed, mainly fo the miniature medals and decorations They are rare

Very interesting ribbon / What is the width

 

Here is one of mine double french ribbons I have seen combined ribbons for more then two medals and decorations

 

Regards

[Elmar Lang]

It is a nice combination ribbon from the immediate post-1849 years, to be mounted on a then also called as "Mode-Spange", where usually on the bar the highest order was presented as an enameled miniature, placed to the centre of the bar itself.

 

This bar shows the Imperial Austrian Order of the Iron Crown; the French Order of the Legion of Honour (from the Restauration, presumably), the Metallenes Armeekreuz a.k.a. "Kanonenkreuz" and the "Militärdienstzeichen für Offiziere". this last one, introduced in 1849.

 

Just to add a little pictorial addition to this discussion, I would like to post the image of an Austrian "Mode-Spange" with combined ribbon, from my own collection. The reverse is struck with maker's and gold marks for the year 1805.

 

All the best,

 

Enzo

[gjw]

Interesting thread, always learning something here!  As a side note, Wilhelm II also used a combined ribbon worn in the button hole as well. 

 

Best,

 

Greg

[Carlo]

On 11/10/2023 at 10:17, Elmar Lang said:

It is a nice combination ribbon from the immediate post-1849 years, to be mounted on a then also called as "Mode-Spange", where usually on the bar the highest order was presented as an enameled miniature, placed to the centre of the bar itself.

 

This bar shows the Imperial Austrian Order of the Iron Crown; the French Order of the Legion of Honour (from the Restauration, presumably), the Metallenes Armeekreuz a.k.a. "Kanonenkreuz" and the "Militärdienstzeichen für Offiziere". this last one, introduced in 1849.

 

Just to add a little pictorial addition to this discussion, I would like to post the image of an Austrian "Mode-Spange" with combined ribbon, from my own collection. The reverse is struck with maker's and gold marks for the year 1805.

 

All the best,

 

Enzo

Interesting explanation.
The width of the ribbon is exactly 6.8cm and it is approximately 2.5 meters long.
However, I hadn't thought about the fact that the red ribbon could be a French Order of the Legion of Honour, I have to go and review a couple of things about the alliances of the time.

[Farkas]

1 hour ago, Carlo said:

approximately 2.5 meters long.

 

Such an interesting post it seems almost petty pointing it out but i’m guessing you meant 25 centimetres long?

 

if not... can i have a piece please 🤞

 

Cheers

tony 🍻

[Graf]

8 hours ago, Farkas said:

 

Such an interesting post it seems almost petty pointing it out but i’m guessing you meant 25 centimetres long?

 

if not... can i have a piece please 🤞

 

Cheers

tony 🍻

Yes 2.5 meters is a very long This could a a left over from the maker The condition is also superb

The width, perhaps indicates that it was designed for a bar similar Enzo listed earler

 

 

On 11/10/2023 at 19:17, Elmar Lang said:

It is a nice combination ribbon from the immediate post-1849 years, to be mounted on a then also called as "Mode-Spange", where usually on the bar the highest order was presented as an enameled miniature, placed to the centre of the bar itself.

 

This bar shows the Imperial Austrian Order of the Iron Crown; the French Order of the Legion of Honour (from the Restauration, presumably), the Metallenes Armeekreuz a.k.a. "Kanonenkreuz" and the "Militärdienstzeichen für Offiziere". this last one, introduced in 1849.

 

Just to add a little pictorial addition to this discussion, I would like to post the image of an Austrian "Mode-Spange" with combined ribbon, from my own collection. The reverse is struck with maker's and gold marks for the year 1805.

 

All the best,

 

Enzo

Thank you for the interesting inforamation

[Carlo]

21 hours ago, Farkas said:

 

Such an interesting post it seems almost petty pointing it out but i’m guessing you meant 25 centimetres long?

 

if not... can i have a piece please 🤞

 

Cheers

tony 🍻

HI,
yes I mean 2.5 meters, but I prefer not to cut it.
It has arrived today in this form and I don't want to change it.

[Farkas]

5 minutes ago, Carlo said:

HI,
yes I mean 2.5 meters, but I prefer not to cut it.
It has arrived today in this form and I don't want to change it.

Carlos, What a cool find…

I did not expect you to say it was metres!!

 

21 hours ago, Farkas said:

can i have a piece please 🤞

I wouldn’t want a piece really, that’s a lovely thing for you to have and preserve.

Congratulations.

 

tony 🍻

 

[Graf]

10 hours ago, Carlo said:

HI,
yes I mean 2.5 meters, but I prefer not to cut it.
It has arrived today in this form and I don't want to change it.

Fair decision 2.5 meters That is 100@ factory left over and was discovered at some stage  Congrats

[Carlo]

On 14/10/2023 at 07:59, Graf said:

Fair decision 2.5 meters That is 100@ factory left over and was discovered at some stage  Congrats

Thanks