gjw Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Hey all, I picked this one up, in mail as a matter of fact. It appears to be a commemorative medal for the 1913 Bohemian maneuvers Can't find any information on it. So....if someone can enlighten me with any info, I sure would appreciate it. Stay well my friends Greg
gjw Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 4 hours ago, 1812 Overture said: Fake! Send it to me for criticism Jolly Joker!
ChrisKelly Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) "gjw"'s first post... Don't know what this is? No problem. Start from the basics. First, the reverse inscriptions, the top being in German and the bottom being in Czech. Both say the same, roughly translated, "For Commemoration (of) Imperial Maneuvers near/at Chotowin (Chotoviny in Czech) and Tabor Bohemia 1913". Chotowin is just north of Tabor. On the obverse, two portraits in profile, and inscription "Franz Josef I. Franz Ferdinand of (Austria) Este." Almost looks like some combination of Latin and Czech. The ribbon looks home-made, and the yellow/black combination of stripes is common to many Austro-Hungarian jubilee medals and long service awards, although I have never seen a ribbon like this one on any other Austro-Hungarian medals. Franz Josef I was the Emperor of Austria-Hungary, 1848-1916. Archduke Franz Ferdinand was Franz Josef's younger brother and was, 20 November 1875 – 28 June 1914, also His Imperial and Royal Highness Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria-Este. Sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tábor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_of_Austria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Este https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria https://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=shb&datum=1914&page=22&size=45 https://www.hrady-zriceniny.cz/s_tabor.htm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tábor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chotoviny https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_names_for_places_in_the_Czech_Republic Edited January 12 by ChrisKelly
ChrisKelly Posted January 13 Posted January 13 That was a tough one. I enjoyed doing the research, though. Whatever that medal really is, it may have some value above and beyond the run-of-the-mill Austro-Hungarian commemorative/jubilee medals. It looks like it's gold plated.
GdC26 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChrisKelly said: That was a tough one. I enjoyed doing the research, though. Whatever that medal really is, it may have some value above and beyond the run-of-the-mill Austro-Hungarian commemorative/jubilee medals. It looks like it's gold plated. Hmmm, before this takes on a life of its own - no, nothing special, this is what they look like: https://www.faleros.cz/en/medals-of-military-manoeuvres/k-upomince-na-velke-cisarske-manevry-u-stekny-v-cechach-1905-2/ https://rauch-auctions.bidinside.com/es/lot/9380/-sterreich-monarchie-manvermedaillen-/ Sorry if this bursts anyone's bubble, but there is too much conjecture in this hobby these days, which is strange, because research has never been easier. Edited January 13 by GdC26
Christian1962 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) "Manövermedaillen" were privately and not official produced over some decades of years. You will find a detailed description here: Ortner Chr., Ludwigstorff G., Austrian Orders and Decorations, Part III Vol. III/1, pg. 108 - 133 https://www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=4715040&Language=de https://www.militaria.at/ShowPageNew.aspx?id=637729352612015295 Kindest regards Christian Edited January 14 by Christian1962 1
Elmar Lang Posted Saturday at 15:57 Posted Saturday at 15:57 On 12/01/2025 at 19:25, ChrisKelly said: Archduke Franz Ferdinand was Franz Josef's younger brother and was, 20 November 1875 – 28 June 1914, also His Imperial and Royal Highness Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria-Este. I might also add, that Archduke Franz Ferdinand was not Emperor Franz Joseph's younger brother.
ChrisKelly Posted Sunday at 01:57 Posted Sunday at 01:57 Archduke Karl Ludwig Josef Maria of Austria (30 July 1833 – 19 May 1896) was the younger brother of both Franz Joseph I of Austria and Maximilian I of Mexico, and the father of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (1863–1914), whose assassination ignited World War I. His grandson was the last emperor of Austria, Charles I. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Karl_Ludwig_of_Austria
GdC26 Posted Sunday at 11:57 Posted Sunday at 11:57 (edited) 10 hours ago, ChrisKelly said: Archduke Karl Ludwig Josef Maria of Austria (30 July 1833 – 19 May 1896) was the younger brother of both Franz Joseph I of Austria and Maximilian I of Mexico, and the father of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (1863–1914), whose assassination ignited World War I. His grandson was the last emperor of Austria, Charles I. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Karl_Ludwig_of_Austria Which confirms that, as Enzo notes, Franz Joseph was not Franz Ferdinand's brother but his uncle (a well known fact). The Wiki page on Franz Ferdinand which you cited above in fact contains the same info, with a bit more detail on why FF became FJ's heir to the throne: "Franz Ferdinand was the eldest son of Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria, the younger brother of Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria. Following the death of Crown Prince Rudolf in 1889 and the death of Karl Ludwig in 1896, Franz Ferdinand became the heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne." Edited Sunday at 11:58 by GdC26
ChrisKelly Posted Sunday at 12:51 Posted Sunday at 12:51 (edited) Glad I got that sorted out. Mea culpa. Edited Sunday at 12:51 by ChrisKelly
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now