EK 1939 Brass IC 1

[VonLuger]

Any Idea of the Maker for this brass Iron Cross

Thanks Jeff

[VonLuger]

and reverse....

[VonLuger]

and case it came with.....

[VonLuger]

btt... No ideas anyone?--a different angle or close up may help let me know..

thanks

[Guest Darrell]

btt... No ideas anyone?--a different angle or close up may help let me know..

thanks

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Maybe show a closeup of the catch from a low angle.

[VonLuger]

here's best I can do with close up of catch

[VonLuger]

ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW HELLO!-Still no HELP

[ben bijker]

ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW HELLO!-Still no HELP

Wideness of the flange + reverse hardware, IMO this is an unmarked Juncker.

Will make a comparrisson when I'm home from vacation, I guess another 2 weeks of waiting won't hurt...

:-)

regards,

Ben

[Douglas 5]

Hi Jeff ;

You waited long for an answer on this and now you got two ; There is still no unanimous conclusion on these , I have been working months on these .

You will get 2 answers ; one you got from Ben ... it being a Juncker .

How ever I say it is a W&L = Wa'chter & Lange , early EK1 1940 with the early Tombac core .

Why a W&L : no bead flaws , die inward pointing beading has in the low angle corner 'webbing' , the short '1' in the date ,and no cross hatching on the 4 inside bead corners. The pin needle is a different shape. W&L used the round catch first but changed soon over to the flat wire catch during the use of the tombac core . I have the exact same cross but only with the flat catch !

Regards , Douglas

first picture shows the W&L pin taper . using your cross ;

[Douglas 5]

Had to borrow the top picture from Luud for my comparison . My W&L 100 below it .

Juncker ; even sided - side taper ending up in a flat - pin tip ! Rotating center a bit wider than W&L .

W&L : abrupt ending pin tip , no taper .

[Douglas 5]

Juncker catch is a bit thicker .

[Douglas 5]

Last picture from Luud as well : to demonstrate my explanation .

Both types side by side : close but still minor pin anchor differences as well .

Picture worth a thousand words : Juncker on top and W&L below .

I was not able to get ahold of Luud befor posting . Hope this is alright .

Interpetation of his pictures are mine only .

Regards, Douglas

[ben bijker]

Hi Douglas,

you may very well be right.

I will check it out when I'm home again.

One sidenote: not all Juncker frames have the cross-hatching around the swas.

I was't aware W&L used this pin and catch though, never to late to learn.

Best regards,

Ben

[joe campbell]

douglas-

an excellent tutorial on these identifying factors!

your detective work is inspiring!

von luger-

nice cross!

joe

Edited July 27, 2008 by joe campbell

[buellmeister]

an excellent tutorial on these identifying factors!

your detective work is inspiring!

I wholeheartedly agree!

Regards,

Joel

[Dave B]

Excellent work Douglas :cheers:

[nesredep]

Excellent work Douglas

Hello!

I Agree.

All the best

Nesredep

[vestae]

I like all nice cross

Congratulation All !

Sebastien.

[Douglas 5]

Late getting back : Thank you all !

Douglas

[robert pierce]

This is very interesting Douglas. The views from the top showing the pins are very revealing, the design in it's infancy. Geeat work as usual!

Robert

[naoki matsumoto]

Any Idea of the Maker for this brass Iron Cross

Thanks Jeff

Hi,I am Naoki Matsumoto.Nice Kreuz of brass!!Nice color brass!!

Wound & details is classical.. I like it This is my EK of 1939,please watch.