juvatwad Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Authentic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Nice original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I would agree with Gene. Don't see any problems with that one.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvatwad Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 I would agree with Gene. Don't see any problems with that one.RichThanks gents. I need to look at a lot more of these.Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 HiI agree,nice original. RegardsNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Gentlemen, I am a fairly new member here and virtually never post, but I believe you simply MUST see the reverse side of any clasp to tell if it is original. The pin structure, wreath strike, device strike (arrow, bomb, whatever), rivet construction, etc. are all critical. I have been collecting Luftwaffe items for over forty years and have seen innumerable clasps which look great from the front, but die when the back is examined. I'm not saying, at all, that this clasp is bad in any way, simply that it cannot be determined with certainty from what is shown here. Best, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvatwad Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 There are three photos of the reverse in my original post.....Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 There are three photos of the reverse in my original post.....IanYou are exactly right and I apologize. My screen was not set on wider parameters, so I did not see them. While I do not like the rivet, the Osang mark is recognized as correct and the arrow appears to be correct from the back, so I would join the others and give this one a "thumbs up". Best, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 HarrierHaving been collecting for forty years you must have a very impressive collection. I would love to see that as I'm sure others would too. Can you share any of your collection with us here?Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 HarrierHaving been collecting for forty years you must have a very impressive collection. I would love to see that as I'm sure others would too. Can you share any of your collection with us here?RichI would love to, but I am technologically challenged and my photo skills are horrible. I will see if one of my children can help me! I have been lucky enough over the years to obtain an example of all but 2 of the 32 clasp combinations. Never have been able to find a really good gold (w/o pendant) or silver long range night fighter. But, as said, I will enlist one of the younger family members this weekend to see what I can do. Best, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would love to, but I am technologically challenged and my photo skills are horrible. I will see if one of my children can help me! I have been lucky enough over the years to obtain an example of all but 2 of the 32 clasp combinations. Never have been able to find a really good gold (w/o pendant) or silver long range night fighter. But, as said, I will enlist one of the younger family members this weekend to see what I can do.Best,HarrierActually, of course, there are 40 possible combinations if you differentiate between numbered and "flower" pendants for each clasp, and many more if you take all the possible number sequences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Actually, of course, there are 40 possible combinations if you differentiate between numbered and "flower" pendants for each clasp, and many more if you take all the possible number sequences!I hope you are able to post some pics. If you can please do not just limit it to clasps!! Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I hope you are able to post some pics. If you can please do not just limit it to clasps!! RichHello, again, Told you I was a terrible photographer. Best, HarrierHERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 HarrierThat's a nice selection of clasps! Thanks for sharing.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hi Harrier !Very very nice Collection of LW Clasps !!!Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hi, Thanks for the nice comments! I've been very lucky. Best to all, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 For Mr. Harrier,A long distance nightfigther clasp gd. from my collection.student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks for showing this! Always good to see clasps in cases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks for showing this! Always good to see clasps in cases!Night fighter clasps were NEVER cased, same with transport, air to ground ones and no case for clasp with pendant (even if some home made / customized are observed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Francois, That is a very interesting observation. Why are the ones you listed not cased?I thought all of these badges could be private purchased from a retail shop. Best, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Hello Gentlemen,Here I show another pic of the case.It is a hunter,but not a speciell nighthunter-case.The nighthunter clasp is given since August 24.1942.May be the soldiers put the clasp in their old case,like he has done it here.It is the case and clasp of an knightcrossholder and nighthunterpilot.student Edited October 27, 2007 by student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Just a brief follow-up. I can understand later war-introduced clasps not being seen in cases (by example, I have never seen a cased air-to-ground), but with earlier clasps why wasn't the retailer free to provide what he wished? I have seen night fighter clasps (I remember one very nice one marked RK) in cases I considered authentic (not the pendant version). As a disclaimer, I do not collect cased clasps and do not represent myself as an expert on them, so all I can report is what I have seen over the years that I considered, based on the totality of the circumstances, to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Francois, That is a very interesting observation. Why are the ones you listed not cased?I thought all of these badges could be private purchased from a retail shop. Best, HarrierWell;Starting from the beginingOnly fighters (day), bomber and observer clasps are cased (bronze, silver, gold) - this is a regulation issueYou may want to show a case for another kind of clasp or one with pendantThe ones I am showing arenot cased for the reasons mentioned above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 As I said, I do not collect cased clasps. I have seen a cased night fighter and wish I had taken a photo, but I did not.Are you saying definitively that no retailer ever supplied transport or night fighter claspsin cases properly marked for them? Again, I do not dispute air-to-ground or clasps with pendants. Best, Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 As I said, I do not collect cased clasps. I have seen a cased night fighter and wish I had taken a photo, but I did not.Are you saying definitively that no retailer ever supplied transport or night fighter claspsin cases properly marked for them? Again, I do not dispute air-to-ground or clasps with pendants. Best, HarrierI am not saying anything definitively as some were issued in envelope or cartoon box - I only share 25+ years of collecting, at the end of the day each concludes for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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