Veteran Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hello everyoneWould anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center. It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.Information will be gratefully received.GreetingsVeteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCL Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The reverse flags are for the pupper state Manchucko.George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFloyd Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 This looks one of many Warlord Period medals and the key will be in the inscription. The missing obverse center probably contained the image of the issuing warlord.You might look through the OMSA medal data base (http://www.omsa.org/photopost/index.php) to see if anything there matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The reverse flags are for the pupper state Manchucko.GeorgeDidn't China itself have a similar flag before The Big One? Maybe before 1911 and the KMT takeover?Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Didn't China itself have a similar flag before The Big One? Maybe before 1911 and the KMT takeover?HughYes, of course. Adopted later for Manchuguo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCL Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Manchu flag 1890-1912Republic of China #1 1912-1928Republic of China #2 1928-1949Peoples Republic of China 1949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 For a little (a lot) more detail, see:http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn.htmland follow the links.Anyway, back to the medal . . . It does look familiar, back in the day when I was weaving (parts of) the M&E sales into the OMSA database (as Jeff suggested) . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 For a little (a lot) more detail, see:http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cn.htmland follow the links.Anyway, back to the medal . . . It does look familiar, back in the day when I was weaving (parts of) the M&E sales into the OMSA database (as Jeff suggested) . . . .So, just to press the point, is the Manchuguo flag similar to or identical to the ROC # 1 flag?Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Thank you very much, this is great. Seems the medal was a warlord's in the 1910-20s.Too bad the gent's mug is missing then, which I understand is the case. On the other hand, the finish is impressive, a very pleasant looking medal.Please give us more as it comes to you. Very best regards to all of you.Veteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Just thought I'd add these to the mix...I have no idea about either one of these and this one was for sale on the French ebay but the listing was pulled....Anyway they looked rather similar so perhaps this might help the ID process along..CheersJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I think that the missing medallion should bear the portrait of Hsu Shuzang, president of China after 1918, and this should be a merit medal awarded during the 1st Chinese Republic.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) Thanks Enzo, I will gladdly settle for your diagosis. Hopefully, a picture of a complete award will possibly pop up some day.I am most grateful to all contributors.Veteran Edited April 24, 2008 by Veteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Hello everyoneWould anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center. It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.Information will be gratefully received.GreetingsVeteranEnzo is the closest!The medal is President Xu ShiChang's Inauguration medal. It should be 56 x 43 mm. The chinese characters read "10 October, the seventh year of the Republic of China, the second president Xu ShiChang Inauguration Commemoration Medal" Issued, I believe, in 1918. The missing ribbon is red with white edge stripes 37mm wide.The reverse shows the two Republic flags joined by a binding rope at the crossing with six sheaves of wheat. The three Chinese characters at the top denote "Commemorative Medal"DickI would post an image from the Mohler Collection but I have dificulties posting on this website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Hello everyoneWould anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center. It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.Information will be gratefully received.GreetingsVeteranA Photo of the complete medal may be seen on the OMSA Medal Data Base:http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=5003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Here is a medal with a very similar central design.However no Id at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Here is a medal with a very similar central design.However no Id at the mo.Unfortunately That is a Chinese Communist replica complete with the standard Communist drapery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) While the repetitive "political" labels are grossly off-base, it seems surely a modern fake.Standard e$cam garbage. Edited April 24, 2008 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Not really much doubt that it is a modern fake, the majority of them are worthless reproductions, if the person and inscription has any resemblence to the original medal or order it may still help to identify the Warlord though.Any Chinese speakers around?Regards Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Hello everyoneWould anyone have an idea of what this (incomplete) medal might be. I am sorry the reverse seems to lack part of its center. It is quite large (42mm-22grs) and heavy in what seems to be enameled glit metal (possibly silver, no hallmark found). The enamel finish is very good.Information will be gratefully received.GreetingsVeteranIt is the Commemorative medal for the Inauguration of President Hsu Shih-Chang, October 1918, unfortunately his portrait has gone AWOL (See ANS 3, lot 130) and is perfectly genuine.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted April 29, 2008 Author Share Posted April 29, 2008 Hello PaulI looked it up in the catalogue, and there it is all right.Thank you again for your welcome help. RegardsPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 This one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Veteran Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Hello usaforceThank you very much for these very demonstrative pictures. This medal is absolutely identical to the one I showed, except of course that it is complete and has its ribbon.I am very gratefulBest regardsVeteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Qing Dynasty 1644-1912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 backUnfortunately, you have reproduced copyrighted images that were lifted from either the OMSA Medal Database site or from my CD of the Harry Mohler collection. These images can only be used when given the proper attribution.Richard LaTondre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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