Bill Garvy Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Just a really nice "FR" in 1st Class. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Reverse. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Just a really bad scan of the maker mark located just beneath the catch. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 nice cross!any marks on the underside of the pin?cheers, ~e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 Yes, Eric, there is an stamp on the underside of the pin, close to the hinge. I am unable to make it out even under 30X magnification. Any idea what it could be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 BillSuper condition! It would be hard to upgrade that one!I've just checked underneath the pin of my 2 FR and one has additional marks what looks like a 'K' and a whale!!!Decided to check a few more pieces and discovered my incused WS also has a mark under the pin... a very distinct 'V'.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 here is another with a different style of core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 i cleaned up the mark a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stahlhut Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 mark on underside of pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Very nice FR. I still haven't picked up one of these yet. The mark under the pin may be a quality control mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obergefreiter Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Very nice FR. I still haven't picked up one of these yet. The mark under the pin may be a quality control mark.I don't think so. I got my hands on my FR very early on in my collecting career, and on mine there is a very tiny 'FR" stamped under the latch. In fact, I never noticed it for a long time, because there is a "B" stamped on the pin, and I thought that that was the maker mark. What's the story with that "B" anyway? Is it a QA mark, or did FR job out a bunch of pins and hinges to "B"? Edited April 18, 2009 by Nick Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obergefreiter Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) I don't think so. I got my hands on my FR very early on in my collecting career, and on mine there is a very tiny 'FR" stamped under the latch. In fact, I never noticed it for a long time, because there is a "B" stamped on the pin, and I thought that that was the maker mark. Sorry. Clicked on the wrong spot. Edited April 18, 2009 by Nick Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 i'd love to be able to catalogue the ever-growingnumber of stamps such as these in unusual locations....i remember seeing my first square box stamp and not being ableto get much of an answer as to its' source...joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obergefreiter Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 i'd love to be able to catalogue the ever-growingnumber of stamps such as these in unusual locations....i remember seeing my first square box stamp and not being ableto get much of an answer as to its' source...joeI always thought that the square box stamp was a pin mark from the manufacturing process. Am I wrong in thinking this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I always thought that the square box stamp was a pin mark from the manufacturing process. Am I wrong in thinking this?Hi Nick,Yes, imo wrong. I used to think this to as my first "square punch" had the mark on the pin in the catch position. The mark is also found on the backplates of EK1s (dead center on another example) and on other items, such as Prussian Pilot and Observer Badges.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriztofer Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Very nice crosses gents. Finding an extra mark is always a bonus. It's too bad that the majority of these maker marks are still unknown. Has anyone done a serious study of this gray area of the hobby yet?Regards,Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekhunter Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Good question Chris. With the particular cross above, the jury may still be out on it's origin. I said "may", rather loosely though. I've always thought that FR and Fr were both Friedlander. Why the variance in the mark? I don't know. I heard once that FR was for Friedrich S. Don't know that either. A while back a thread was started on WAF where as someone pointed out that FR may actually stand for ??? Rothe. Can't remember the first name, sorry. The argument in Privateara's first book, was that Meybauer marked croosses were Rothes'. He has since corrected or changed this belief. The argument in the thread on WAF was that Rothe's were actually FR marked crosses. It was an interesting argument. Anyone have anything to add? Are FR marked crosses definately Freidlander? :cheers: Edited April 22, 2009 by ekhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obergefreiter Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 . I've always thought that FR and Fr were both Friedlander. Why the variance in the mark? I don't know. Possibly different production runs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriztofer Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The only source of reference that I know of other than the forums, is Kaiser Bunker and they have 60% +/_ unknowns. I did try to contact the Bundesarchiv in Berlin but I think you have to go in person.Anyone up for a trip to Berlin for beer tasting.. I mean maker mark research haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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