Eric Gaumann Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 My latest Udarnik.A bit of enamel damege on the front.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 And the reverse.Just a little extra solder to make thing more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 A nice early (1949) Udarnik badge certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Here is an interesting datapoint in our quest to disentangle these badges.To review what we thought we knew up until now:The "gold-silver-bronze" business is wrong (Battushig agrees 100%) and we have a typology of:A 61.1/ A 61.2 - Type 1 (mirror reverse, thin silver gilt) - Low = 206/High = 5009A 61.3 - Type 2 (flat reverse, silvered bronze) - Low = 203/High = 503Here's a new specimen:1- While it may not show clearly in the scan, the obverse is silver(ed)-gilt on everything but the cog-wheel.2- The reverse is silvered bronze, as rough as what we have come to expect from type 2, #715 (a new high)I can't find my notes on the source of the # 206 data point for type 1 (will look back through this long thread), but I am tempted to suggest that the flatback bronze silvered badge is a revised type 1 (number range 203-715) and the mirror reverse is shifted to type 2 (number range ???-5009). If the #206 can be reexamined and seen to be a flatback, then things clarify and the typology reverses. The new low for the new type 2 (mirror-back) would then be ???? (I have a 1070). If the problem-child,# 206, is, in fact, flatback, then we have problems and the flatback variety becomes an "island" within a mirror-back series.Will #206 please step forward and identify itself . . . ???The question of gilt on the cog-wheel remains. While the gilding on these badges is so thin that it often (usually) evaporates or is worn away, careful examination often shows its presence. On most (?) badges, all except the encircling cog-wheel is gilded, but there are reports when it is gilded (and not tarnished). While I'd guess this is just "noise" in the manufacturing process, we may want to peep more closely at our cog-wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 OK, going back through the threads, I didn't find # 206, but I did find JC's # 286 in http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5236&st=22 and it is a mirror reverse.I also found a new flatback high that I had missed in my list in Dolf's # 886 at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5236&st=32 so my new one held the record for a few minutes only.Tentatively, then, I guess we can count # 206 as a mirror back, leaving things somewhat confused as:A 61.1/ A 61.2 - Type 1 (mirror reverse) - Low = 206/High = 5009A 61.3 - Type 2 (flat reverse) - Low = 203/High = 886Or is the flat reverse merely a variant?Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 (edited) I think it's probably just a different production run from another factory.Anyway to confuse things even more here are 269 flatback and 206 mirror reverse (neither of them mine unfortunately)Jan Edited March 19, 2007 by Vatjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I think it's probably just a different production run from another factory.Thanks, Jan. My current thinking is completely in agreement with your theory.We need to be careful not to confuse manufacturing "runs" with real "types". Some things, I know, were made in Hungary, maybe some in East Germany, others in ??? There are non-Mongolian, non-Soviet productions to contend with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 nr 16 for the number fetisjists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Thanks, Bob. You have demonstrated, beyond any doubt, the completely random overlapping of these two types. (And, of course, added a new low number for the flatback type.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Not sure it is worth scanning the obverse, since we know what they look like by now, but a new arrival and new low datapoint for the mirrorback variety, 180. With nice (original?) МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР screwplate. Some gilt remains on the hammer, if you squint real hard.Giving us:Type 1 (mirror reverse, thin silver gilt) - Low = 180/High = 5009Type 2 (flat reverse, silvered bronze) - Low = 16/High = 886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 By the way, here is a Doc for one of these Udarnik Badges.Inside view:DolfGreat - just received similar doc in the mail (with udarnik with corresponding number, with picture in doc!).Will scan/post in coming days - further narrows the "timeline" allowing us to have an indicative date on when they were awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) As promised, here are several booklets for Udarnik badges and some related documents.I'm afraid that I don't have the badges to go along with the awarding docs but I'm-a-lookin!!enjoy....I'll start off with a rather crudely printed/handwritten "golden word" letter (letter of commendation) from 1956.Not an award doc, but related.JC Edited September 12, 2007 by fjcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I have several of these and even though this one doesn't have a date on it, the others are from the late Forties although I'm sure you could all tell that anyway.Not an award doc. either but it has the usual percentage of "over-work" etc. on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This one is similar to the one I posted a year or two ago, except this one is a pretty red colour!!! Nice with picture too!JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) Happy fellow inside!! Edited September 12, 2007 by fjcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 rather sad looking covers of the more common type of doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 No pictures, but both from 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Now the exciting stuff!!! (to me)These two documents are from a larger group of documents that I really should post.The recipient was a lady called B. Yanjmaa.......Yes I got all excited too but this person is way too young and although there is a certain resemblance it isn't THE Yanjmaa...Either way it is an interesting set of 12-15 documents that I'll post separately a little later.JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) The lovely lady! And that's all for today!!JC Edited September 12, 2007 by fjcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 (edited) Looks like you've held some things back for us:)The award doc dated 21-12-49, what number Udarnik was it for (indicated right above the date)?Here is mine: Udarnik badge 3049 with correspondingly numbered award doc.Giving us now this time frame:Udarnik 2,203 31/10/1947Udarnik 3,049 28/12/1951 Edited September 13, 2007 by Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 Makes one curious why there was this apparant short "rush" to award these and then it dying out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Great looking set you have there Bob... Too bad I don't have the badges to go with the docs.. Well the search is on!!The best I can do is a picture of the lady above wearing her udarnik and a ribbon bar for what looks like the order of combat valour and something I can't make out....Seems a little unusual to me but I might be wrong.JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Lovely stuff, everybody. Thanks! Can we have a close-up on that last lovely lady with the ribbons and the badge, please . . . . Images of these badges in wear are scarce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) Sure thing Ed!!JCP.S. Any thoughts on the ribbons? Edited September 14, 2007 by fjcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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