Chris Boonzaier

Sturm-Bataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr)

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OK,

Have been reading the back pages... being more of a document guy I am no authority on the Badge side of things.

It seems the kaiser approved the FW badge... but turned down the the Rohr Badge idea.

Rohr guys wore it anyway.

The crux of the matter for me is still... is it supposed to be a crown Prince monagram... or a Kaiser Wilhelm monogram?

It still looks Wilhelm II to me...

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ID: 27   Posted (edited)

It is the King's monogram - Wilhelm II, King of Prussia and German Kaiser

The crown prince supported the bestowal of the badge but Wilhelm II never officially approved it.

Edited by Naxos

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This is the bit I found interesting here.

Back to the old 'Minenwerfer/Flammenwerfer' connection .............. and a non-standard TK. :)

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This is the bit I found interesting here.

Back to the old 'Minenwerfer/Flammenwerfer' connection .............. and a non-standard TK. :)

I am guessing the Trupp was so small they had to tack them onto another unit.. are you sure there is a difference in skulls, as opposed to it being seperated from its backing?

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Are you sure there is a difference in skulls, as opposed to it being seperated from its backing?

Chris.

The skulls are definitely different.

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hmmm...

I like the docs.... am not 100% sure how I feel about the badges them....

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hmmm...

I like the docs.... .

If doc.is good (and previously undocumented) :), chances are badge is also good.

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Hello Chris!

The same badge is shown in the book "Le Sturmbataillon Rohr 1916-1918 by Jean-Claude Laparra and Pascal Hesse.

The bataillon recieved the badge during a visit of the crownprince around february 18th.

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If doc.is good (and previously undocumented) :), chances are badge is also good.

Hi,

That is a jump of Logic that is often pretty dangerous.

My gut feeling is the badge with the doc is OK... but if I was to ever have another FW badge it would have to correspond 100 to the example you and chip have.

Basically it is a cut out small bit of cloth... anyone can do it and after 5-10 tries... they should be able to get it right.

So, even if the skull is good (and it very probably is) I would maybe pass on it for the 2% of doubt that bugs me.

The black one has the 98% - 2% ratios reversed for me... ;-)

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What a strange idea to halve the badge and sew the crown under the W!

With a real Entnobilierung, the crown would just have been cut off.

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What a strange idea to halve the badge and sew the crown under the W!

With a real Entnobilierung, the crown would just have been cut off.

I am guessing they were seperated from their original piece of cloth and just sewn on to that one to prevent the pieces getting seperated then lost?

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That is a jump of logic that is often pretty dangerous.

Too true!

Sorry for going a bit off topic here, Chris. ;)

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Too true!

Sorry for going a bit off topic here, Chris. ;)

No problemo... discussion should freewheel..

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ID: 40   Posted (edited)

This style "W" was one of the Kaiser's several styles of royal cyphers. It was used on his jubilee commemorative badge and also as the cypher of the Mecklenburg Füsilier Rgt. Nr. 90. See attached shoulder strap examples. The crown on the straps is the Kaiser crown, but it is the same cypher. I believe this is the same style "W" that was embossed on the leather tobacco pouches that the crown prince gave the troops as part of a Christmas gift to members of the 5th army.

I suppose it is possible that the crown prince, having the same name "Wilhelm" as his father, might use the same cypher, but in conjunction with another crown. The thing is, I have never seen a metal crown insignia (shoulder strap size) that was of a princely crown. Might he have used the king's crown in lieu of that?

Chip

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I have posted these before, spread all over... so thought I would regroup them here.....

Leutnant d. Res Alwin Zirkler, a Lawyer after the war.

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This is impressive. How long it took to collect so many Rohr documents?

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This is impressive. How long it took to collect so many Rohr documents?

A looooooong time.

In each case a friend pointed me in the direction... strangely I have never "just found one"...

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