Poulton Palmer

Hallo Shiggert, wow, such a nice grouping and then from your grandfather: that is great! Thanks for sharing this! By the way: your English is perfect imo. Greetings, Poulton Palmer

Sorry litlle mistake.

Here you can see what I mean (btw: look at the Somme cross version). BTW 2: I wasn't the one who broke up this Spange!!!!! Shame on him!! Greetings Poulton

Ola Esteban, The Argonne Kreuz I have never seen in other (original) variations then the one in post 2. (If someone has another type, please show). The Champagne Kreuz comes in two (to me known) original types: the one in post 2 and the type with flat arms. I have seen (I presume) original Verdun Kreuze with flat arms also. greetings, poulton.

Gents, thanks for your very clever and thoughtfull observations!! The last bar I have seen on german ebay and I thought it was "strange". The kind of sellers who are willingly "rebuilding" these spanges, just to earn a few bucks more: I have none respect whatsoever for them: flog them I would say (I would be glad to be of assistance). MfG, Poulton

Thanks Otter76, I will look into that. I will certainly invest in reference guides, it is worth the money. Greetings Poulton.

Hallo Alex, I understand off course. But look at this doc please, is quite similar, and for as far as I can see without stamp also: http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html Or when the link doesn't work: 65. Auktion, Losnr. 4153. Greetings, Poulton Palmer

@ Chris, where do you keep finding these things! This is a post-war Abschrift for a pre-war earned Flugzeugführer abzeichen? Nice. @ Alex: "I don't have an Uffz Wünsche at the FA 7. There are no literature published about the personal of this unit. Sorry." ==> that is a pity. "The unit of KoGenLuft was disbanded after the war, so i don't think that hi signed documents long after the war." : ==> I agree. Conclusion?: * not original; * original but for whatever reason without stamp. Without conclusive personell data on that unit not trace-able. To me the doc looks old enough for a period document. I ask myself: if it is a fake doc, why did the producer of the fake-doc choose only a Unteroffizier and not a Leutnant or ObLtn. ? Maybe the faker was that clever to know that for officers there are Ranglisten and so on, therefore are easier to check maybe??? But if so, he could also pick a name from the Unit that is known and so raising the market value of the doc etc. Sorry, I am wondering off...I'd better quit. Thanks for your input. Greetings, Poulton

Hi Alex, thanks for your efforts. Maybe it is not original or maybe an after-war Abschrift? It looks old though. I think everything stands or falls with the answer if there ever has been an Unteroffizier Wünsche in F(F)A 7. Are there any sources anyone can recommend?? Greetings, Poulton

Can you check this? I am amazed. I have seen there is a Lt d.R. Wünsche, but he served with another Abteilung. Is there any chance of finding names of pilots of the unit F(F)A?? MfG, Poulton

Hi Gents, this comes together with an award document (http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/57020-award-document-pilot-badge/). To me it looks nice and I have felt it in hand, feels good. The piece is 100% hollow. But nonetheless I guess it is a fake. I am a dummy and don't know anything (yet) about these awards, but I am willing to learn. I have read many posts on this and other forums and this is what I understand until now about this award (but I could be totally wrong): 1. This berry shouldn't be here in this kind of badges; 2. These two should stick out more; 3. Looks like a little dent in the plane, should be straight. 4. There shouldn't be a crown on the back, by the way the stamps aren't very "clean", little bit sloppy. more pics: Gents, are my observations correct and can you add some? This piece is hollow, this must be not that easy to make I think? I would like to know what persons did make these awards? And when? Could this be a piece before WWII or is it after 1970's? Hoping to learn something. Poulton

Wow Jaba, thanks for your data! I have better pictures now: One thing that direct caughts the attention is absence of a stamp of the unit of somekind. Good to know it is not an Bavarian unit. Because with the document comes the award also: a Prussian style Flugzeugführer Abzeichen. Although I am a dummy in these awards I will post pictures of it in a new thread and try to give my opinion about the piece. Hopefully "experts" will react and dummies like me can learn from this. Greetings Poulton.

Hello gentlemen, I can acquire this document from Feldflieger Abteilung 7. Any chance this is genuine? I have read that FFA 7 was transformed in 1917 in Fliegerabteilung (FA) 7. And that it was a Bavarian unit. I find it odd that on the document still states FFA 7. Possible explanations?: * the award was earned months back when the unit was still named FFA 7; * it is a mistake; * the doc is fake. The signature of von Hoeppner is a facsimile signature. I can't find much about FFA 7, let alone names of pilots who served with this unit. I also can't find any pictures of documents for the pilot's badge. Greetings from Flanders, Poulton Tomorrow I will post bigger pics!

This bar is the only one I have got which is totally WWII. Cheers, Poulton

Hi, I think this means: "und so weiter", : = and others.

I agree!!!! But I hink these beauties only come at a cost price you must be able to pay. Greetings, PP

Dave, Gremsl is german/austrian name that sounds perfect to me (and exists). In combination with Sternberg, maybe less logical? Maybe It could also be "Gremse", this is also a German name that exists. greeeings, Poulton

Hi, I like your medal bar very much. It is a more or less standard combination but a nice combo! keep up the good work! Greetings from flanders Relichunter.

Sascha and Trakkles: Thanks for your answers, now it is clear to me. Poulton

And the back.

Finally a third abzeichen: fliegerschützenabzeichen.

Crown and back of the second abzeichen.

Here the back. Also the front of the second abzeichen.

Can the maker be determined if there aren't any stamps on the abzeichen? I have the possibility to acquire these 3 pieces. Are they period pieces? Poulton

last picture.