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His Bio: http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACH...CHS_WERNER.html BTW it's Luftkrieg there is no such word as Luftkreig

Members of Wettererkundungs-Staffeln Wekusta (Weather Reconnaissance Squadrons) were eligible for the Aufkl?rer-Frontspange.

You are welcome! Not likely posthumous either - After the war Germany was devastated - Revolution, Occupation and Hunger - not the time to celebrate the heroes of a lost war, besides the family distanced themselves from their tragic brother and son. Sad story VINLAND30 - we are just trying to help and educate ourselves here Hardy

I give up - I spent an hour this morning doing your homework (researching and translating). At least take the time and read it! Instead of continuing to defend the impossible invest your energy in trying to get your money back. Regards, Hardy

BTW Ferg1 and Stogieman's expertise and evaluation is good enough for me - just wanted to show that there is more then one way of coming to a conclusion. Hardy

VINLAND30, with a little research (approx. 1 hour) one can find enough evidence to show that the inscription on the back of your cut-out pilot badge is fiction. Even with the name of the individual covered I can see the von before the name. As Rick and I pointed out, Roth's name had never a "von" before it during his life - his correct name wasn't even Roth but R?th. Friedrich Eduard Oskar R?th born on September 29th, 1893 known as Fritz R?th during his lifetime. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-1062-1225570214.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2008/post-1062-1225576952.jpg According to the police report of the city of Nuremberg's Polizeihauptwache, the body of Lt.d..Res. Fritz, Eduard, Oskar R?th of Jagdstaffel 16 was found on Wednesday January first 1919, 10.30 am. at the rail tracks Eger-N?rnberg in the near Ostend street. R?ht in civilian life a businessman, was not married a Lutheran and lived at Sulzbachstrasse 25 Apartment 1 in Nuremberg. Beside the body a 6,5 mm Browning pistol, with five rounds in the clip and one round spent, was recovered. The body showed a gunshot wound at the right temple two centimeters above the ear. In a letter to his sister he wrote. He was deeply depressed about what he did in the war and what was done to others Suffering from depressions seems to be not uncommon in his family his sister was 'over-religious'. His family did not bury him under his name because he committed suicide. R?th is buried at the St. Johannis Friedhof at N?rnberg. His grave still exists, but it does not bear his name. His family refused to put his name on the grave because it was a sin to them to commit suicide. But in the cemetery's records it is still noted where Friedrich lays. Since Fritz while he was alive could not have known that he would be awarded the knight's cross allowing him to change his name from Fritz R?th to Fritz Ritter von R?th the engraving could only have been added after his death. Reading the above pretty much rules out his immediate family as having added the inscription on the back. Hardy

A month after the end of WWI Friedrich Roth committed suicide in Nuremberg on New Year's Eve 1918. Depression and guilt (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) was thought to be the reason. It is unlikely that this man had a juweller make a special Flugzeugf?hrerabzeichen with elaborate engraving on the back. It would be interesting to know if the engraved name on the back reads von Roth or Ritter von Roth The Knight's Cross of the Max-Joseph Order was awarded posthumously to Roth in 1919 which gave him the title Ritter von Roth. During his life he was only known as Friedrich (Fritz) Roth. Regards, Hardy

Here is the only pic I can find of him Hardy

Looks like Generalleutnant Erich H?cker. http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Person...er/HoeckerE.htm Hardy

April 1917 at Juvincourt infront of the German line Hardy

Rick is right - this document is a forgery. Offered for $1,850 by: http://www.oakleafmilitaria.com/088p1.html http://www.oakleafmilitaria.com/paper%20&a...20documents.htm

Paul, the second image is a British tank

Paul, the French Schneider tank in your post was knocked out by one of the close combat guns of the Bavarian NKB 218 on April 16, 1917 near Juvincourt. see here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26398&st=0 Hardy

His name is: German Botz

Interesting date on this award document Great documents Mr. Pedersen Hardy

Another picture from Leutnant Hurst's photo album. The "clubs" tank from posts 15 and 17 with Lt. Wilhelm Hurst commander of 2 company IR170 on the left. the writing on the back: "French tank in our position at Juvincourt" Hardy

The very late award date explains the excellent condition (no wear) of the sewed on DKG. Very nice! Hardy

Interesting: He was awarded the (Allgemeine) Sturmabzeichen in February 1941 from the Commander of the 1. Panzerdivision. In August of 1942 he was awarded the Flakkampfabzeichen. In December of the same year the received the Erdkampfabzeichen der Luftwaffe the (Allgemeine) Sturmabzeichen was then scratched. He had them all! Hardy

Impressive! Thank you for showing (what is the award date for the DKG?) Regards, Hardy

As for the awards - it should display an Iron Cross first class. Nice tunic!

Just linking this old thread with Roman's 1913 DRA award document. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3155...mp;#entry297764

Outstanding Roman! can you post a close-up of the writing inside the case. Hardy

I knew it! Rick - this is what is written on the back: ... perhaps his name? Hardy

Thank you Chip; as always I really appreciate your input. Hardy