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I've edited the post for you as requested. A very interesting comparison Robert. It is instructive to note how the colouring & tone of the metal has changed over time. Keep up the experiment! Cheers Don

Another nice find Joe. These can also be found in gold. Cheers Don

I've always gone with the fantasy camp, Floch was selling these by the box full a number of years ago...

Very nice Colin. I saw quite a number of these type of badges while in the Tirol a couple of weeks ago. They're quite attractive aren't they. Thanks for showing them. Cheers Don

Another has recently turned up...... http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc...62/m/3680020565 Cheers Don

For anyone interested I've updated the info re magnetic & non magnetic badges on Page 3 post #47. Cheers Don

Sorry, I've been away for a few days. I'm with Mametz here, a sympathisers pin. Hard to say whether it's from the period or not as they are so easy to manufacture..... Cheers Don

Interesting piece Peter. I have one knocking about here somewhere but I can't seem to find it at the moment My memory may be failing me but I do not recall ever seeing these in gold, they are usually silver. Thanks for showing it. Cheers Don

It will indeed be interesting to see the results Robert, I look forward to it. Good spot Rick, I didn't even look at the Hoffst?tter mark...... Cheers Don

Hi Jani, I'm afraid both are bad. The triangle piece is a fantasy item in that it never existed during the period of the Reich. The round one is controversial in that some do feel that it existed but others do not. However yours is definitely bad due to the shape of the plate holding the pin, this style is only found on post war badges. Also the Ges.Gesch should be spelt with a G not C, & finally, on the front the word should read AKAD not ARAD. Here's a link to another discussion on these badges http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14956 Sorry. Don

I do like that RZM mark Quite stylised & very art deco....

Nice pin Rick. This one is the standard membership pin to be worn on the lapel. As to the significance of the date, I'm not really sure . Angolia states that an honour pin was issued each year & that it was stopped in 1938, but gives no reason as to what it was for. JR Cone says that they were given out to members who took part in the various road meets...... H?sken in his catalogue lists dates found as 1934, 1937 & 1938. The '34 seems to be most common followed by '38, I've yet to see a '37 (a good friend of mine has been searching for one for 40 years!). Note both H?sken & Angolia mention 1938 as the last date however I have seen one for 1939...... I never managed to get my hands on to to compare unfortunately...... Cheers Don

There is a very interesting thread over on WAF showing the various designs of this badge & a little history behind them. As I know that you rarely if ever visit there rick I'l sure Joe Wotka will not mine me copying his information here. Here's the link for reference http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...highlight=Forst Here's Joe W's reply "I believe this subject was discussed at length on Houston Coates' forum over at GD.com, but perhaps the older thread was nuked. While the Feld- und Forsthuters were part of Prussia for decades, the badges being discussed were rather recent and totally III Reich. They were created by order of the Prussian Interior Ministry on August 10, 1933. The original style Prussian flying eagle was to be soon replaced by the Pro Patria style Prussian eagle introduced by Goring with swastika, sword and lightening bolts incorporated in the design. The regulations called for both Feld-und Forsthuters and Ehrernfeldhuters to wear no uniform. As a symbol of their official position, they were issued either the police star as a badge or a green armband with the wording "Feld-und Forst-Huter" in centered on each side of a white metal police star. There is no explanation if the metal badge on the armband is the same as the police badge or a different style. In addition, employing authority could equip the Huters with a service cap after the style of the Gemeindepolizei officials. Those employed were authorized to be armed with a walking staff and if locally required, a police truncheon or blade sidearm. In certain circumstances, a handgun was issued according to all laws and regulations. The F.W. Assmann & Sohne catalog of the later 1930s illustrated both the older style Prussian eagle as welll as a new style shown for the Ehren-Feldhuter. Both the badges are described as an arm badge with hinge pin."

Angolia & Littlejohn wrote a very good book called "Labour Organisations of the Third Reich" which goes into great detail regarding ranks etc. My advice would be to buy a copy as it will answer your questions in far more detail than you will get here. Cheers Don

Welcome to the forum Michael, good to see you over here. Thank you for the extra information & I look forward to seeing some items from your collection Cheers Don

The tinnie is shown here http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=274912 may we see the whole picture please? Cheers Don

As far as I'm aware the clasps show where the person had served. According to the award document there were 8 sets of clasps: Baltikum 1919/20 Grenzschutz 1919/20 Sparakus 1919/23 Oberschlesien 1924 Rhein-Ruhr 1923/24 K?rnten 1919 Rhein-Ruhr-Gefangener Mitglied v?lkischer Kampfverb?nde 1922/23 In his catalogue, Detlev shows one for the party (NSDAP 1922/23), whether that is what was meant by Mitglied v?lkischer Kampfverb?nde I do not know: Cheers Don

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Hello Detlev, Thank you for taking the time to reply. Indeed as I mentioned before, I am not saying that they are fakes (or accusing you), they may as Rick said be a found store. I am just worried as I have never seen such fixings on this model of badge, such things always are worth noting & watching for as the fakers are getting very clever. Let's hope that they are just unusual variants. Cheers Don

Indeed they do, which is why I'm not screaming fake yet. I haven't heard of any finds on the "grapevine" except for the recent Deschler hoard of EK's & KVK's. Also these were very early badges only used during a brief period in the very early months of the regime. And I still would have expected to have seen these fittings on them before if used during the period. No, no markings at all. Cheers Don

At first glance there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the two sets of badges offered by Detlev in yesterday's update, construction style etc is of the period. However, in all of my years of collecting I have never seen these design DRK badges with either a button hole or stickpin fixing!!!!! I have only ever seen them with a pinback. Now I can't say that they are fake as I do not know, however it does seem strange to me that one of each should turn up at the same time. I advise keeping an eye on the various dealer & auction sites to see if anymore appear, if so then I think that we may have our answer....... And more trouble because they look very good, put the correct fixing on them & voil?!!! First DRK civil badge 13th form (H? 5601an) Next DRK civil badge 14th form (H? 5601ao) Cheers Don

A nice find indeed Joe. These lapel versions of the larger numbered Meistersch?tze badges are almost as dificult to find as their big brothers. As you can see by the pin, these were also originally gold in colour, but due to the base metel used are rarely found with their finish still intact. Thanks for showing it. Cheers Don

A welcome addition James.

Not so much wiggly as we've discussed before Joe, but heavily crimped. Cheers Don