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It would be nice to know if there is another letter under that pin Robert, the gap between the A. & the T is quite large....

No idea, they are supposed to be for wives & daughters, so if they were in bronze silver & gold, then maybe prizes for competitions etc However, if as listed they were only silver & gold, then maybe just a product that could be purchased as a gift from the local branch? Here's a badge from a local group "Stadtgruppe Neukölln". I suspect pre Sept '38 as that seems to be the date that the Bund badge was introduced.

Very nice Robert, thank you for showing it.

I would imagine so. Although I have suspected for a few years that maybe, just maybe they may have come in bronze silver & gold. No real evidence for bronze ones except for the occasional one that doesn't quite look like the altgold..... Having said that, I've never yet managed to find any period proof that any of these brooches existed, one day hopefully. Cheers Don

Very nice. It's strange, but for some reason the 10 year is harder to find than the other anniversary pieces..... Thanks for posting it. Looking back through the thread again I see that I neglected to post the membership card that I have. Don

Very nice Robert. Thank you for posting it. Thank you. Yes they are hard to find, so far I have only seen 2 in wear pix, here's the other one.... Cheers Don

I'm glad that you like them Jock. I remembered this morning that I also have a membership card for the NSAO.... Cheers Don

Now the above DOAV is the usual version marked to Wagner, however there are Deschler marked pieces around, much harder to find. The differences are noticable, less blackening to the obverse to bring out the highlights & the pin plate is held on by aluminium extrusions through holes in the plate. Unusually for Deschler, the maker mark is raised rather than impressed.

And the real tough one of the group to find, DAOV made in Aluminium & marked to Ferd Wagner, Phorzheim....

GAO, Deschler once again

GDAO, also Deschler

NSAO. Marked to Deschler. I believe that there is another manufacturer variant for these but I haven't tracked one down yet

Sorry for the delay, I never seem to get 5 minutes to myself these days.... Firstly here is a pic of the set.

I suspected as much, but wanted to check just in case. Thank you for posting them though. I'll dig my images out later.... Cheers Don

Welcome to the forum Jock. Thank you for bringing this thread to the top again & for posting your badges. Is it an just an illusion or is one of the badges larger than the other? In your first picture they look different sizes, but in the next they seem the same.... I'll dig out some pictures of the examples that I have picked up since this thread was created & post them later. Cheers Don

Hi Joe, Yes it is a tad thicker although it's not so noticable in hand. Cheers Don

That's a nice find Robert. I guess that maybe we could start a fresh thread for these, there are plenty of them... Here is probably the most sought after of the bronze grade & the toughest to find, 1944

As I said it is tiny only 13mm. Here is a comparison with the normal stickpin & the full size member pin.

Thank you Gentlemen. Recently find a tiny stickpin for these, marked to Hoffstätter.....

Hi Alec, Yes, I hope some other members do post them if they have them... Originals are VERY rare. Cheers Don

And then this beauty Kreisleitung Neustadt in Schw. This is for Neustadt in Schwarzwald, an area in the Black Forest region.

A very rare Ortsgruppe Fürth-Mitte, 4131o (4118f)

I thought I'd brush the dust off this old topic & bring it to the top again. Here is a rather over polished & tired Kreis Leitung Heidelberg, 4131q (4118h for those with the 1997 copy)....

Hi Alec, I do not know that much about these pieces & have avoided them over the years due to my lack of knowledge on them. However, I do not like the example that you show because of the style of the maker mark on it. From what I can see it looks to be the known fake mark which is based on the Hermann Aurich mark. The correct mark should be a letter "H" sideways above a rounded, stylised "A". The fake mark blocks in the ends of the "H" to make it more like a rectangle with a line through the centre, or a capital "B" laying on its side... There is not much about these in reference books or magazines, Littlejohn briefly mentions them in his book "Defending the Reich". He gives a very basic description, mentioning that there are variations of colour, but that is all. He states that it was probably first issued in early 1933 & had to be returned when the second more official version was introduced in June 1936 (the second version is the one with a black aircraft against a pale blue sky with Swastika flag below it). He does mention that the second version was issued by the Ministry of Aviation & was serially numbered, he does not say that the first version was numbered. There is also an article in the April-May 2005 edition of the "Internationales Militaria-Magazin" #117, pages 12-13. This article is in German & unfortunately, I have not had the time to fully translate the article. However it does show a colour picture of one of these badges, one with a white aircraft & white enamel in the areas that yours is blue. It does say that there are copies with the fake Aurich mark which I have mentioned above. Sorry that I cannot help more. Cheers Don

A fine example John, thanks for posting it. D