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Thanks, has been new for me. I've yet saw some of them, but never wanted to scratch it. Neither H. Volle nor J. Nimmergut mentioned this, if I remember correctly.

Dear Gentlemen, Once (looong ago) I saw a photo postcard of "Kapellmeister Adolf Boettge" (1848-1913) who served here in Karlsruhe in the Leibgrenadier-Regiment 109. He had a huuuge medal bar, but I cannot find any picture, nor can I remember what awards - or what kinds of awards - he wore, if he was kind of a NCO or an officer, wearing many knight crosses or "just" many merit medals and crosses?! Might someone provide the DOA entry? Some informations can be found on "Karlsruher Stadtwiki" ...

It is in my humble opinion not too early, is it? Is the medaillon still real gold, or gilt? I guess this type to be from about 1905 to 1910, so quite late - compared to ones from 1866, 1875 or 1880s. Great thread, by the way. Keep them lions coming.

A really nice bar of a Major d. Reserve or something similar. It has been yours, but isn't anymore? The BZL3a is real gold, the other one gilt. Are you sure it to be bronce gilt? I've never heared this before, read anywhere they are silver gilt. "D" means "Doubl?", but I don't know what it exactly means ...

No, it's the highest bravery award of Bavaria in World War I to NCOs. Only the Golden MVM, of course, ranks higher. If you're a WWII guy: It's a equivalent to the "Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes 1939"! Edit: My apologize, I have misread it. I've been talking about the "MVM", not about the "MVK".

Yeah, and so this one can only be for "Milit?r-Karl Friedrich-Verdienstmedaille" and a normal "Verdienstmedaille", which is a typical combination for Baden's highest bravery-decorated NCOs. A "MKF-Verdienstorden" is impossible to an NCO ... BTW, a golden wreath on this ribbon without enamel was used to indicate a Small Golden Merit Medal.

Hmm, I hope everybody got that I've been kidding, Rick is not unaware for sure - I just wanted to show you my favorite Saxon Photo.

The bar seems fair, and a Silver FAM can be worn - all as Rick explained. My apologize Rick, but in this point you seem unaware. This boy on the right isn't "senior" at all, is he?!

Thanks for your opinions - I am with it.

On Ebay Germany, this bar is offered. It looks quite good, but the seller is a well-known tailer who has - if I remember correctly - not sold one authentic bar, but many newly sewn ones. Is this a nice Godet one, or is he a damn good faker? (the stichting on the left and right of the reverse?!)

Yesterday, a Hamburg military dealer (D. Niemann) sold this nice, Prussian bar. The bar itself seems to me fine and old, but I guess some of the decorations might be (wrong) replaced, as the combination should not be possible, should it? A NCO who has been serving for a loooong time, getting his "Kreuz des Allgemeinen Ehrenzeichens", later got officer and got an Crown Order - and wears his Red Eagle medal behind any other merit award. And all this with just a 1913 long service medal for 12 years?! My guess would be: - Prussian Crown Order medal - (matches) - "Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen" (as a Red Eagle medal should be in front of a Crown order medal!) - Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung IInd class, presumably a "Spangenst?ck" - (last two matching). Any other ideas, or am I totally wrong and THIS combination is "kosher"?! (the combination of Crown Order an Allg. Ehrenzeichen makes me think of Mr. Caville, who was the ONLY one to receive this, wasn't he)

And, as we can "see" on the photo, he has yet a Stanislaus Order 3rd class, hmm?! (or at least a litte bit of ribbon on his neck) A matching ribbon bar would be a great pleasure for Rick to identify, wouldn't it? Just THREEEEEE plain red ribbons.

Hmm, just one litte problem: each of the three pages has scanned about 400 to 500kb, but my postings are limited to 110kb. If I make the pictures smaller, I cannot get them small enough to post them AND them being still "readable". I could mail the pages to someone else who is able to post biggeeeer pictures, hmm?! Here's the picture of Mr. Dr. Gabriel Jacques "Santa Claus" von Rosenberg, but that's it for now.

Now I found it, it has been in OMM 86, from october 1998: It is the frack bar of Gabriel Jacques Rosenberg, born 1858 in Shitormir, died 1929 in Berlin as "Hofrat Dr. Gabriel Jacques von Rosenberg". The articel gives much more information about his life and other awards he received as well pictures a photo of him, of this bar and of four documents. I could scan and post if, if you want me to.

I cannot remember the name, but the bar. He's been a Russian Jew, born in Kiew, later "Hofrat" or similar in Baden (-> Z?hringer and Berthold Order) and probably in some other German dutchies. An artist? Don't think so, no ... The bar was published - with a nice photo and the documents(!!!) - in an older OMM, I'll look for it later.

And its reverse: without any backing, but with a safety-pin.

This nice bar I buyed some days ago, but it doesn't fit 100% into my collection. 5er Feldspange Sachsen-Meiningen und Türkei, mit: - Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1914 II. Klasse; - Sachsen-Meiningen, Ehrenzeichen für Verdienst im Kriege; - Osmanisches Reich, Kriegsmedaille; - Osmanisches Reich, Medjidie-Orden oder Lyakat-Medaille; - Dt. Reich, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (swords upside-down). If someone wanted it, he might PM me.

I guess our Mr. Arthur Kunstmann was Jewish, as I found here: in Nazi times, he "lost" his "Ehrensenator und Ehrendoktor" and was given it back postumous just in 2001.

Seems to be a Hohenlohe House order?! The matching cross is the third one on the mini chain (behind the EKs), so this set might belong to some of these noble v. Hohenlohe guys?! I love those Hohenlohe Orders, but can hardly remember having seen any yet .. (compare OEK 1015-1020).

Sure they don't, but we are talking about Baden officers who were 1902 in service! How many groups of Baden officers show up?! By the way: The 1902 was not only awarded to military, but also to many civil persons like Beamte and so. The were struck ca. 30,000 of it, and in my humble opinion it's one of the most common awards from Baden.

Hmmm ... Why don't your Albrecht Orders have PAINTED reverse medaillons?! Mine has ... It's from the elderly's man collection my father and me are selling at the moment, but I wanted you all to see this one - I'ill show some other things to check or just to show in the next time. I've never before seen a painted medaillon on an Albrecht Order, did you? Does someone know who produced these, and when? It has the IInd model bust in avers, and medaillon seems to be gold - which makes me think it has to be 1876-1902(?) era.

This person should(!) have gotten the Baden 1902 Jubilee medal - should. The statute for this medal say among other: 3.den aktiven Offizieren, Sanit?tsoffizieren, Milit?rbeamten und ?lteren Unteroffizieren ( nach mindestens 8-j?hriger Dienstzeit) der badischen Truppentheile des 14. Armeekorps, ferner denjenigen aktiven Offizieren anderer deutscher Truppenkontinqente, die badische Staatsangeh?rigkeit besitzen und seiner Zeit in einem badischen Truppentheil des 14.Armeekorps zum Offizier ernannt worden sind; ferner den Offizieren der Kaiserlichen Marine und der Kolonialtruppen, soweit solche Badener sind, sowie auch denjenigen ehemals Gro?herzoglich Badischen Offizieren, die sich nicht mehr in Aktivit?t befinden; He's been born in Bretten/Baden and got officer in a Baden unit!

Oh, my apologize. So you should be right, yes ...

Sure you are ... I'm with the idea they might belong together, but I'm not with the Mediteranean link. The Maltese Order/Cross as in my humble opinion quite similar to the Johanniter Order, but given to Katholics, not Protestants (Johannniter Order was a ONLY Protestant decoration!). I don't think they had to have been there for getting it. Great set, by the way! Well, IF they belong together, he had the Albrecht Order before the war, so he cannot be for war aid.

First of all: a really nice, almost great bar. Might get hard to find the wearer: a Major or Oberstleutnant (presumably Regimentskommandeur) with none pre war orders than a BZL3a and REO4. And: he was NOT a Badener! He has the Prussian 1897 medal, but not the 1902 Baden jubilee medal ... The 3a is real Gold, is the 3aX as well?! Many (or most?) of 3aX people had as well a pre war Z?hringer without swords, but there are three grades they might have: 3b, 3bOL and 3a. This could be the clue, in combination with NO 1902 medal. Medalnet has a quite similiar, but not matching bar - his from a Badener