Claudius

Great medal and ribbon bar! I don't mind the missing honor cross too much. but the medal order is a bit odd with the honor medal on the end. Any other comments on it?

Why is there a "bug" on the last doc? Did he slip in under the scanner mat? Great documents. I don't know is much can be said about the signers of the documents; in the first doc, he was clearly not the Colonel and Regiment Commander and was just a Major. In the second he was the Lieutenant Colonel and Regiment Commander of 37th Landwehr, operating in Russia/Poland in July 1915. The third was a Major and Regiment commander and apparently tolerated beetle motifs on his wound badge documents.

Outstanding group Claudio! (But I think you knew I was going to say that.) Great document and photo trail. The ribbon bar is wonderful with all those Turkish awards. Thank you for showing it.

:violent: please delete this thread. thank you

I agree. That has a much better chance of success. But the listing was pulled and I think she is not open to any other communication from "men" right now. She will likely find another outlet to sell it piece-meal. Thank you Claudio for capturing the image here. It can be used for reference and added to the collective knowledge of all known bars.

True. There is no law against splitting up a group of medals that belonged to one person-that I know of. But in general there is a moral indignation to the wanton destruction of art or history that belongs to world. The same feeling when the former government of Afghanistan destroyed the largest Buddha figures in world from the Bamyan valley. Or the loss of Egyptian, or Mayan antiquities to looting or neglect. There are many other examples and this is perhaps a very, very small transgression, but it is nevertheless grievous to those that can "read" a roll of medals.

This kind of situation happens more often than any of us like. And this “woman” has comments/responses that are similar to that of a hostage taker. Its like someone abducting children and threatening to send them back one piece at a time if we don't pay the ransom. I'm beginning to think that we all need to take Hostage Negotiation training. Maybe, if there are any law enforcement collectors among us, they can give us some pointers. It’s frustrating to watch this criminality without an effect response. Perhaps ebay should be notified that she is soliciting offers, maybe that can stop her...for a while. But then she may just cut the thing up all up and send the pieces to ebay. Someone should tell her that the combined value may be larger than the sum of the individual pieces.

Does anyone have its twin as a medal bar? Could you please post it. :love:

back.

I found this little guy early in the day and he was still there when I wanted to go home. We all can see that this is a Schwartzburg, and I believe it is Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, but is this the Honor Cross or the Honor Medal? The Honor Cross could be awarded w/o swords, so it would be understandable to have the swords to denote a combatant. I believe the Honor Medal was already a combatant award and didn't need swords to indicate otherwise. What do you think?

Great bars. Just great to look at. Thank you for posting!

Looks like the Lippe Detmold House Order (LH) or Schaumburg-Lippe House Order (SLH) w/o Swords. (Maybe swords on the suspension ring?!?, denoting an earlier wartime awarding of a lower class) Hard to tell from the fuzzy focus, but I think it looks more like the LH. (A beautiful award if I may add a gratuitous comment.)

....need a photo.

Outstanding bar. with the name and photo.... :love:

Then...I believe this could take us full circle back to my question. Is the Albert is attached by thread or a clip underneath the ribbon? Maybe the good bar was "looted" of its peace-time award. By coincidence, I bought a three-medal bar with Saxon enamels removed leaving only the EK2 (in third position!)

Nice. And uncommon having earned a Saxon state bravery award but not the EKII(1870). Presumably in the XIII Army Corp, 17th ID. When you get it, please say how the Albert Order is attached to the bar. Is it a clip under the ribbon? I can see the other three are tied down, so likely the SAOX is tied down. The reason I ask is, is this an 1870 version of the Albert? I know the Saxon Civil Merit had different versions identifiable as 19th Century and WWI, but does the F-P war SAOX have any differences from the WWI SAOX?

How many years of service on the DA?

Those Obersteuermann shoulderboards! They are textbook examples.

reverse side please.... :love:

:cheers: on a faded ribbon and toning to the medal...should be priced accordingly.

I actually read Rick's replies just minutes after he posted them, but I could respond and just leaned back in my chair with my hair blown back in astonishment. Great resources and even greater researchers that made this possible. Bravo. :cheers:

Yes, tuxedo bar, civilian bar, but the best term is frackspange or "frack bar" all read from Right to Left. The bar was originally made to be worn on a civilian coat or tuxedo and because of how a lapel would drape, they post them in reverse order so that they can be "read" properly. Now, add to that, for a period after the war (1920s-33), some of the rules as to the correct order were bent or broken. The saxon awards shouldn't be before the EK2, however this gent was proud of his State and perhaps he mixed a lot in Saxon social circles. I'm not sure how to interpret your mentioning "you are still learning about medal bars so will not give my opinion" then the . If you know something, or can point out something that we didn't notice. Please speak up.

I would put the black light on it.

That is outstanding! Could this guy be identifiable? Did the Belgiums keep award recipient records? to foreigners?

I believe the order should be; War Aid Cross 9 year Wurttemburg LS Centennial Medal I can't account for why it would be in this order. Crazy post-war individuality...proud Wurttemburger..any other thoughts?