Claudius

Looks like the Lippe Detmold House Order (LH) or Schaumburg-Lippe House Order (SLH) w/o Swords. (Maybe swords on the suspension ring?!?, denoting an earlier wartime awarding of a lower class) Hard to tell from the fuzzy focus, but I think it looks more like the LH. (A beautiful award if I may add a gratuitous comment.)

....need a photo.

Outstanding bar. with the name and photo.... :love:

Then...I believe this could take us full circle back to my question. Is the Albert is attached by thread or a clip underneath the ribbon? Maybe the good bar was "looted" of its peace-time award. By coincidence, I bought a three-medal bar with Saxon enamels removed leaving only the EK2 (in third position!)

Nice. And uncommon having earned a Saxon state bravery award but not the EKII(1870). Presumably in the XIII Army Corp, 17th ID. When you get it, please say how the Albert Order is attached to the bar. Is it a clip under the ribbon? I can see the other three are tied down, so likely the SAOX is tied down. The reason I ask is, is this an 1870 version of the Albert? I know the Saxon Civil Merit had different versions identifiable as 19th Century and WWI, but does the F-P war SAOX have any differences from the WWI SAOX?

How many years of service on the DA?

Those Obersteuermann shoulderboards! They are textbook examples.

reverse side please.... :love:

:cheers: on a faded ribbon and toning to the medal...should be priced accordingly.

I actually read Rick's replies just minutes after he posted them, but I could respond and just leaned back in my chair with my hair blown back in astonishment. Great resources and even greater researchers that made this possible. Bravo. :cheers:

Yes, tuxedo bar, civilian bar, but the best term is frackspange or "frack bar" all read from Right to Left. The bar was originally made to be worn on a civilian coat or tuxedo and because of how a lapel would drape, they post them in reverse order so that they can be "read" properly. Now, add to that, for a period after the war (1920s-33), some of the rules as to the correct order were bent or broken. The saxon awards shouldn't be before the EK2, however this gent was proud of his State and perhaps he mixed a lot in Saxon social circles. I'm not sure how to interpret your mentioning "you are still learning about medal bars so will not give my opinion" then the . If you know something, or can point out something that we didn't notice. Please speak up.

I would put the black light on it.

That is outstanding! Could this guy be identifiable? Did the Belgiums keep award recipient records? to foreigners?

I believe the order should be; War Aid Cross 9 year Wurttemburg LS Centennial Medal I can't account for why it would be in this order. Crazy post-war individuality...proud Wurttemburger..any other thoughts?

This thing is wrong for so many reasons, and there is plenty to rant about a fake being promoted as period, but what I really am taken aback by is the smarmy, passive-aggressive sales pitch used. Suggesting that it is an extremely rare historical item, but he can't be sure it was owned by the famed ace. However he has "vibes" based on his 48 years of collecting experience. It gives the illusion of honesty about the item for sale, but he is not being completely open about its origins or what I believe to be, the benefit of his full knowledge. This half-truth is deceptive. It is an snare to the novice and perhaps naïve collector and I don't like it. :shame:

That is a spot-on nice bird bar. I'm still looking for one myself. A couple of years ago I had the proverable "two in the bush", but both bars with white falcons on them fell through.

Hello 39inf; These are wonderful examples of engraved silverware. Obviously well used by their owners, full of dings and scratches but mostly just deeply burnished by busy hands using the utilities. A great collection all together. Sorry, I meant to look up the units by the regimental ciphers but I didn't have a chance last night and I didn't want another day to pass before I told you nice these are. I will try again on 1/1/10. I wish I knew more about this practice. Were only a pair (knife/fork) engraved, or were they part of a greater set (8 or 12 pairs)? If only the pair, were they used at the regimental headquarters with other individually named pieces? That would make them the owner's private set to be used when he sat down to eat. Does anyone know the practice?

I can't make out what #1 & #3 are. For the rest of us, could someone name off the medals L-R?

The arms seem a little too wide where they meet to be the M-S IMHO.

Great Bar SPM! How long have you had that one? Great pick-up. Is there any chance that it could one day be identifiable?

It looks like the Centennial medal was shot at with a BB gun. 7th Korp indeed...A similar grouping of battlebars to a 77th Regiment gent I own (in the 7th Korp.).

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." -Isaac Newton I created a crude name index for O'Connor's book -Vol. #1. (Any flaws, omissions or errors in it will be my fault.)

I was looking up Russian Silver hallmarks. It kind of looks like silversmith Michael Jakovlevich Tarasov mark; Moscow from 1908-1926. VINLAND30 can you provide some closer up photos of the hallmarks?

Has there been anything more learned about these Jettons? What is the translation? Interesting that they were inscribed with a name on the back and then (poorly) scratched out. I wonder why? What were these jettons issued for? Does anyone know what the hallmarks indicate? (left facing head and "84") I think more people than just me would like to know. Thank you.

Hallo Heinz; You are correct. I did not communicate very well. However, you did answer my question. That is wonderful that these are family items and you have a Family Chronicle that mention the circustances surrounding the St. Stan award. He did not mention the St. Anna; Perhaps the awarding of the St. Anna was not as momentous like the visit of Czar Nicholas I was. Again, you have some very nice family heirlooms.